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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by JauntTrooper »

jedberg wrote: post #55

Every person I know who's left California did it because of housing costs (except for one, who did it to get away from "the damn liberal government that wants to take my guns"). We have a major housing cost crisis in this state, as well as a big NIMBY problem. There have been good solutions run up through the state house, that either fail to pass or get so watered down they are no longer effective, in large part beca…

We moved from San Francisco to New York City after having kids mostly due to housing and public schools.

We miss the city and our friends, but couldn't see ourselves there long term.

New York City is expensive, but there are areas of relative affordability that feel much more accessible, comfortable, and safer than the Bay Area.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by dkwod023903 »

Bay Area native here. The cost of living here has always been high, there have always been a lot of homeless people, and crime used to be worse.

The tech industry has metastasized, overthrown the culture, and drained the soul out of the place. The ethos and pathos of the tech industry have undergone a transformation from creation to extraction. We shot for the moon and got surveillance capitalism and the "gig economy" instead.

Now everybody here is "the right type of people". You can be whoever you want, so long as it's sustainable and organic.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by Proziam »

weiming wrote: post #148
highdesertmuse wrote: post #120

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Serious question:do you still vote Democrat?

Tongue-in-cheek comment that I've read somewhere is that folks flee Democrat-run cities due to high taxes and mismanagement and move elsewhere, but then continue voting Democrat to bring back the same policies they wanted to escape from.

I live in Henderson, NV and can at least anecdotally confirm that what you're describing is true. People moving from California, many of whom cite 'safety' reasons, maintain pro-regulation and anti-gun stances, despite Henderson's murder rate being 1/5 that of Oakland, 1/2 of LA, and 1/2 of San Francisco.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by newnewpdro »

GhettoChild wrote: post #224
newnewpdro wrote: post #108

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If you accept a life spent indoors in air-conditioned spaces you weren't taking advantage of what you were paying for in California.

Most people in California are this way though. All of my family who still lives out there pay a premium to watch the same TV shows I watch and to watch Netflix while sitting on their behinds indoors. Very few people are out hiking every possible minute or going out to the coast even when living nearby.

I'm inclined to agree with you, and would say that many folks living in the expensive parts of California aren't even leveraging the majority of what makes it so expensive to live where they do.

I lived in the SF bay area for over a decade, and when employed by the tech industry and spending all my free time outdoors it was very worthwhile.

But whenever I stopped working in the lucrative positions there, the math stopped making sense, even spending all my time outside.

I'm still in California, but a much cheaper part: Joshua Tree. Bought a sizable property in cash, my cost of living is very low and I can still access all the excellent California produce and the coast is only a ~2 hour drive away.

People tend to only talk about the most expensive pockets of CA as if it's representative for the entire state. There's a lot of more rural parts of CA that are very affordable, still beautiful, and not even that far from the ocean.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by Ididntdothis »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #185
borkt wrote: post #64

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I'm born and raised Sonoma County (as is my wife) and we are about the only people we grew up with who still live here. We saved/worked through college bought a house at a decent time (2014), and our mortgage payment for 3BR/2BA is less than many friends pay for a room. If my wife wasn't a winemaker we would most likely not be living here either. I cannot begin to understand how or why people would move here, and man…

It’s hard to beat CA weather, scenery, and access to outdoors. And be a drive from a major city like SF. Hence lots of rich people are willing to pay a lot for housing. Plus, CA has some decent socially liberal laws that set it apart.

If you have the money I can’t imagine much better places in the world than Sonoma, Marin or Mendocino county.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by GhettoChild »

jayd16 wrote: post #202
rayiner wrote: post #76

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> tax advantages of moving states is just too trivial It’s not. For a family with $85,000 a year, getting rid of state tax could mean an extra several hundred dollars a month in income.

You'll spend the time and effort to move for a couple grand a year? Does that really make sense? How many years does it take to break even?

It makes sense when you are also significantly decreasing your cost of living at the same time in addition to cutting taxes and want to purchase a home something that really isn'y possible in NYC or the bay on that income but is easily possible in a state with low cost of living.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by enumjorge »

formerchamp wrote: post #155
highdesertmuse wrote: post #120

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Serious question:do you still vote Democrat?

Hello Californians, welcome to Texas! Please don't vote for the same policies that caused you to flee your state.

As far as taxes go, yes voting left tends to result in that, but in my experience high housing costs is not a left vs right issue. Where I live most left-leaning voters would choose legislation that would bring down housing costs.

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Post by chrisco255 »

GhettoChild wrote: post #219
chrisco255 wrote: post #214

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No, it's not. Ft. Worth is run by Republicans. San Diego, Jacksonville, El Paso, Oklahoma City, Fresno, Mesa, Omaha, Colorado Springs, Miami, Virginia Beach, Tulsa, Arlington...all have Republican mayors.

A mayor does not make a city. If that was the case California would be a republican state since they have had republican governors in the recent past.

Well in that case, the issue gets even more complex as you factor in whether or not a city with 4 Democrats and 3 Republicans on the council and 1 Republican mayor is a "Republican" city or a "Democrat" city.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by xyzzyz »

d1zzy wrote: post #240
rayiner wrote: post #126

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> Hot take - with all of the migration to Texas, this state will be blue in the next 10 years. And will have all the problems of California, New York, etc. in another 10-20 years after that.

As long as no Prop 13 gets voted in it should be much better than California. Everyone complaining about policies in California make it sound like Texas is perfect. I'm pretty sure it could use a lot of improvements on its policies. There are some large factors that have had a disproportionate effect on the housing problems California faces and one of those is Prop 13 so it is much better to focus on avoiding repeati…

Prop 13 does produce some distortion in the market, but much bigger problem is the sheer inability to build anything. If California had similar zoning and building rules as Texas, Prop 13 would not really be relevant, since houses would not be appreciating in value fast enough for Prop 13 to make any difference.

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Post by jedberg »

jelliclesfarm wrote: post #237
sjg007 wrote: post #196

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The way to do this is to repeal prop 13. This will force people to sell and move.

So you want to create a upper middle class transient population that is mostly tech workers? Because if prop 13 is repealed..after 15-20 years of work, the retired tech employees can’t afford annual increase in taxes either. Or is this just to get seniors to leave Bay Area by making it unaffordable for them?

Being priced out of one's home is a red herring that the low tax zealots want you to believe to keep prop 13 in place.

Somehow in the 49 other states that don't have Prop 13, people aren't priced out of their homes from taxes.

There are other options. There are home equity lines, reverse mortgages, or even freezing tax payments and adding them as liens on the property at time of transfer.

But even if you're worried about that, you should still support repealing prop 13 on anything that isn't an owner occupied single family home.

There is no reason a rental property should have tax protection, or a commercial property.

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