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What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by kingkawn »

mschuetz wrote: post #239
sschueller wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can, stop using and supporting these predatory companies. Never use Uber, Lyft, Doordash, Uber Eats, AirBnB etc. No exception irregardless how easy or cheap it may be. It's a small sacrifice but can and will make a difference. Using these services to me is like asking a waiter to pay for part of my meal. When it comes around to paying the bill are you able to face someone and ask them to pay for part of what they…

That's not going to happen, the majority will always be drawn towards the cheaper choices. Work conditions and minimum pay are things that need to be regulated, because people won't chose their burger place based on how much their staff earns.

I would.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by conanbatt »

mschuetz wrote: post #239
sschueller wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can, stop using and supporting these predatory companies. Never use Uber, Lyft, Doordash, Uber Eats, AirBnB etc. No exception irregardless how easy or cheap it may be. It's a small sacrifice but can and will make a difference. Using these services to me is like asking a waiter to pay for part of my meal. When it comes around to paying the bill are you able to face someone and ask them to pay for part of what they…

That's not going to happen, the majority will always be drawn towards the cheaper choices. Work conditions and minimum pay are things that need to be regulated, because people won't chose their burger place based on how much their staff earns.

But the law you have now is the result of the political power you are summoning. How do you parse that neither consumers, drivers, companies or the electoral body has your preferences in mind?

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by fxtentacle »

franga2000 wrote: post #199
2rsf wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes we can, that's how it works in Sweden and AFAIK in many other European countries. Tips are not expected, and are meant only for extraordinary service. The base pay is decent and so are the benefits like vacation, pension etc.

Is there any other country other than the US where paying service workers below minimum wage is legal or acceptable? I've been around a fair bit of Europe and surroundings and I've never encountered the US system.

There's also no other developed country that has drug problems like the US. If you stop treating people with respect, they need some way to cope. First painkillers, then the opioid crisis, now alcohol-related deaths are on the rise. And I recently read that the new hip thing are LSD nose spray trips timed to your lunch break.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by Majestic121 »

eru wrote: post #241
mjevans wrote: post #173

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Can we please do that for all jobs? I want the workers at places I get food and such from to actually just have good base pay. Tips should be about rewarding going BEYOND the normal... not as a basis of someone's wage.

> Tips should be about rewarding going BEYOND the normal... not as a basis of someone's wage. For game theoretic reasons / general equilibrium, you can't restrict tips like that. Even if you try. Your shop can ban tips, though.

Yes you can, it works pretty well in a lot of places in the world.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by Reedx »

sschueller wrote: post #207
dmode wrote: post #160

Why can’t we have normal businesses where you employ your workers and charge your customers the real cost of the transaction ? If that is not viable, don’t start the business to begin with. Let’s just go back to first principles, can we ?

We can, stop using and supporting these predatory companies. Never use Uber, Lyft, Doordash, Uber Eats, AirBnB etc. No exception irregardless how easy or cheap it may be. It's a small sacrifice but can and will make a difference. Using these services to me is like asking a waiter to pay for part of my meal. When it comes around to paying the bill are you able to face someone and ask them to pay for part of what they…

You don't know what the waiter's situation is, so how can we presume to know better than they do? Are you sure the people who are choosing to work for these services would agree?

Secondly, you have the option of giving a nice tip. I suspect they'd prefer that over not renting their Airbnb or whatever service they're offering.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by sokoloff »

onion2k wrote: post #212
marcell wrote: post #30

> “These orders don’t pay for our expenses or our time. We actually lose money when we take those orders. If I pick up an order that is 10 miles away and deliver it 6 miles I’m traveling 16 miles for a $3 order — so I have lost money. I’m in the negative when I account for gas, wear and tear, and other expenses. Not to mention my time.” This begs an obvious question: why are people choosing to do this if it pays $0/h…

It'd be much more efficient for DoorDash to work out when a job isn't viable for the driver and either increase the price or refuse to take it.

Turning paying customers away for what is (to them) arbitrary and unpredictable reasons is a recipe for your service being perceived as unreliable.

“I’m hungry; I’d like to give Doordash some money.” “Computer says no.” “Damn; can’t trust Doordash.”

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by nbabitskiy »

ipince wrote: post #197

It'd be interesting to do this analysis with other type of vehicles, like scooters or bikes. The mileage/depreciation is substantially lower, to the point where it might not be that bad of a pay (and if you're biking, you can get some exercise too).

>> if you're biking, you can get some exercise too

Moscow is now full of delivery guys on bikes, sometimes electric, at ~0°C. I wonder if delivery services advertise it as work benefits.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by oefrha »

devmunchies wrote: post #127
bobloblaw45 wrote: post #2

I drove for DoorDash for about a month. What killed me was the wait between deliveries. I think it was like 45 minutes on average and when I did get a delivery it was like a tiny $7 delivery. There would be 2 hour stretches of times pretty often. But then once in awhile I'd get a string of maybe 3 or 4 runs that paid like $12. over 2 or 3 hours.It was too inconsistent. Had no idea if I ever got tips, from my understa…

>There's just too many drivers I think. interesting, I'm desperate for more drivers. I run a side business that delivers cookies, drivers do just under 30 deliveries a day (about 3-4 every hour) and make minimum wage plus 100% of tips are split at the end of pay period. it ends up being about $3/delivery in tips, which is an extra $9/hr for a total of $21/hr (minimum wage is $12). A driver could theoretically make ov…

Unsolicited advice: maybe put the pricing next to or before the quick checkout section, or at least link to the pricing section before the quick checkout form? I’m not going to give you my address before I decide to enter a business relationship with you (which requires pricing info), and it was not at all clear to me pricing info is available before I go through the checkout process until I scrolled all the way to the bottom of the page just in case.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by jariel »

This model simply isn't sustainable and only cash from gullible investors, perpetual scammy behaviour, and a never ending cycle of people trying to work for them for a while, especially while ignoring costs such as wear and tear on their car, and the fact they can skip all of those other things like health insurance, training etc. - keeps it afloat.

It's time for these experiments to crash under the weight of the free market and basic regulation.

This is not the American Dream, quite the opposite.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by s_dev »

Reedx wrote: post #255
sschueller wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can, stop using and supporting these predatory companies. Never use Uber, Lyft, Doordash, Uber Eats, AirBnB etc. No exception irregardless how easy or cheap it may be. It's a small sacrifice but can and will make a difference. Using these services to me is like asking a waiter to pay for part of my meal. When it comes around to paying the bill are you able to face someone and ask them to pay for part of what they…

You don't know what the waiter's situation is, so how can we presume to know better than they do? Are you sure the people who are choosing to work for these services would agree? Secondly, you have the option of giving a nice tip. I suspect they'd prefer that over not renting their Airbnb or whatever service they're offering.

>Secondly, you have the option of giving a nice tip.

DoorDash is litterally taking the tips left for the staff though ...

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