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Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by patrickdavey »

drbojingle wrote: post #114
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know some basic commands and know it well enough to edit git commit messages and interactive rebase (`ddkP` is probably the most advanced command I know). But I've never thought "I prefer this over my regular editor this is amazing". I just don't get the satisfaction. And of course I'd have to dive deep into the ecosystem in order to get the same benefits that my main editor provides out of the box, like idk, cmd+c…

text objects are a big reason for the satisfaction for me. I spend a fair amount of time moving code around and I like being able to say "delete everything in this indentation level and copy it" in 3 keystrokes. It's pretty sweet when you're use to it and you have it customized to do what you want (which takes time and isn't for everyone).

What is the text object for "current indentation level"? One you created or is it built in?

Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by barkingcat »

joeraut wrote: post #122

One of my Computer Science lecturers had a rule: use Vim for all development for his class whilst on campus, and if caught using any other editor/IDE – or committing any artifacts showing evidence of such – we would lose several percentage points from our final mark for his class. Harsh? Perhaps. But I can’t thank that lecturer enough for that rule. He converted a mostly IDE-wielding class into one that actually appr…

In 2018 - this is so bad that it deserves some kind of disciplinary measure from administration.

This is absolutely unacceptable for students needing different accessibility enabled tools other than vi /vim.

For example, if using an alternative screenreader or a vocally/sound enabled ide or if needing to interact with a text editor via a brail enabled tool that doesn't work with vi, does the student just get failed out? That's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by JadeNB »

e12e wrote: post #241
yason wrote: post #95

In the opposing vein, as an Emacs user the best configuration I ever made was to rebind C-x C-c to execute-extended-command instead of kill-emacs. It was way too easy to (even accidentally!) kill emacs with a sweep of a finger. And I probably use a few hundred execute-extended-command calls for each kill-emacs (which I now have to type manually as 'C-x C-c kill-emacs' - no problemo). A similar optimisation was with t…

> A similar optimisation was with tmux to bind the prefix to C-z. It's in a handy location next to ctrl and I very rarely use suspend anyway. I think gnu screen has the right idea here: ctrl-a. And you say z is close to control - does that mean you use emacs without shift lock as control?! (I mean sure, still closer than b...).

> And you say z is close to control - does that mean you use emacs without shift lock as control?! (I mean sure, still closer than b...).

Presuming Shift Lock means Caps Lock, that and Control are both close to Z on my (Apple) keyboard.

Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by hawaiian »

brutt wrote: post #71

First step to quit vim is to accept that you are vim user. Here are some tips: Try to limit yourself to one vim session per day, then one session per week, and so on. Try to replace some Vim sessions with Emacs. Buy notebook with keyboard without Esc key. Install an OS without Vim. Use mouse.

> Try to replace some Vim sessions with Emacs.

I thought you said quit Vim, not go running back into its warm embrace.

Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by JadeNB »

brutt wrote: post #71

First step to quit vim is to accept that you are vim user. Here are some tips: Try to limit yourself to one vim session per day, then one session per week, and so on. Try to replace some Vim sessions with Emacs. Buy notebook with keyboard without Esc key. Install an OS without Vim. Use mouse.

> Install an OS without Vim.

The hardest of the steps ….

Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by samatman »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #205
DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You get the same thing in vim, but only when you open it without a file. Chances are, you only do that when you're already a vim user, and most non-users will be confronted with any random program opening a file in vim for them to edit (visudo, git commit, etc.)

git will open pico if you haven't configured an editor. It's annoying. If you have configured an editor, hopefully you already know how to quit.

It has to open something, and pico/nano, at least, has a menu that tells you how to quit. What else would be a preferable default?

Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

kburman wrote: post #139
namelosw wrote: post #37

- So, how did you learn Vim? I heard there's quite a learning curve. - I just open it, but I couldn't figure out how to quit. Then I have been using it for three years already. (Same applies to Emacs.)

I have tried to start using vim so many times and failed. Even this year I thought to start using vim. Daily I open vim once try to do something new with it. Although I don't have much of hope that I will start using it an soon.

I've made quasi-regular attempts to get truly comfortable with both Emacs and Vim at various points over the... last two decades, honestly. Strangely, I was always a little more comfortable in Vim, even though the other editors I've been comfortable with through the years have been modeless. Last year, though, Vim actually took for me, and I think there were three reasons:

(1) Buying the book Practical Vim from the Pragmatic Programmers, which is aimed at people who kinda-sorta know Vim but don't know much of Vim. I still haven't truly internalized a lot of what I've read, but just understanding the magic of ":find", "." and a slightly greater number of the Ten Thousand Ways to Select has been amazing.

(2) Trying to do as much as possible with "native" commands rather than plugins, then adding a smaller number of considered plugins back in.

(3) Having a real project -- of sorts -- to work on and sticking with Vim for that project. In this case, the project was going through the entire Pragmatic Studio course on Rails 6. (It's good.)

I'm pretty sure these same three steps would work for learning Emacs, too. (Obviously with a good book on Emacs in step 1, not Vim, yes, yes.) But I'm actually pretty happy with Vim.

Also, the proper way to quit MacVim is clearly to select "Force Quit" from the Apple menu.

Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by aquova »

barkingcat wrote: post #252
joeraut wrote: post #122

One of my Computer Science lecturers had a rule: use Vim for all development for his class whilst on campus, and if caught using any other editor/IDE – or committing any artifacts showing evidence of such – we would lose several percentage points from our final mark for his class. Harsh? Perhaps. But I can’t thank that lecturer enough for that rule. He converted a mostly IDE-wielding class into one that actually appr…

In 2018 - this is so bad that it deserves some kind of disciplinary measure from administration. This is absolutely unacceptable for students needing different accessibility enabled tools other than vi /vim. For example, if using an alternative screenreader or a vocally/sound enabled ide or if needing to interact with a text editor via a brail enabled tool that doesn't work with vi, does the student just get failed o…

...This is a bit of an overreaction. I think it's safe to say that the professor won't fail any blind students simply on the basis of being unable to use Vim.

Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by Aperocky »

joeraut wrote: post #122

One of my Computer Science lecturers had a rule: use Vim for all development for his class whilst on campus, and if caught using any other editor/IDE – or committing any artifacts showing evidence of such – we would lose several percentage points from our final mark for his class. Harsh? Perhaps. But I can’t thank that lecturer enough for that rule. He converted a mostly IDE-wielding class into one that actually appr…

He should at least allow emacs.

He might find my vim configuration looks a lot like an IDE with almost 60% of feature of one. (Except compile, I like to use command line for that)

Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by Aperocky »

manmademagic wrote: post #155
joeraut wrote: post #122

One of my Computer Science lecturers had a rule: use Vim for all development for his class whilst on campus, and if caught using any other editor/IDE – or committing any artifacts showing evidence of such – we would lose several percentage points from our final mark for his class. Harsh? Perhaps. But I can’t thank that lecturer enough for that rule. He converted a mostly IDE-wielding class into one that actually appr…

Had the same thing when I was studying CompSci. Ended up spending more time configuring vim than doing the work I was supposed to do. Even did the completely pointless exercise of making custom syntax highlighting for the pseudocode language we had to use.

Once configured vim works fine. I probably spend 1-2 hour/day in vim for my personal projects but haven’t configured anything in months.
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