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The Bus Ticket Theory of Genius

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Re: The Bus Ticket Theory of Genius

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What's the topic that just doesn't leave you alone? For me it's an interest in animal consciousness and communication, even though I am a physicist by training.

I can get latched onto many subjects, most of them useless. Like, what is the best way to split firewood while living in an apartment building? Or what is the best RV for me (I'm not buying one until I spend X days renting)? It's really getting in the way of more worthwhile pursuits.

10 years ago I was quite engrossed in automatic layout of UI elements to automatically accommodate e.g. localized text of different size (Apple's iOS UI layout tools at the time were awfully crude, not sure about now). Around the same time I was much very into application state management (same problem solved by flux, but different approach). Having "solved" these two problems for my use case I have since moved on.

Recently I am into mapping business workflows to data structures, visualizing them back, and then providing control over them, e.g. order/invoice/shipping processing in wholesale trade. Nifty stuff, and trickier than the other two things.

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Academia, for all its faults, is still an excellent system for collecting those who are obsessive about s subject (at least for a certain set of “established” subjects.) It’s preposterously difficult to do the PhD-through-tenure course if you’re not obsessed, and it certainly isn’t the financially optimal career path; if someone has made it through that system, you can be sure they’re happy sitting and doing their subject all day, for days.

Re: The Bus Ticket Theory of Genius

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My take on genius is that it's akin to insanity, and for some of us, insanity doesn't seem to be so insane (which itself is an insane thing to say). Nikola Tesla ended his life alone, with a box of scrap parts as collateral for his rent ( https://www.history.com/news/9-things-you-may-not-know-about... ). Friedrich Nietzsche wrote "The Parable of the Madman" ( http://historyguide.org/europe/madman.html ), and apocryph…

> You can't relate to people. Nobody understands you. Your value structure is messed up. Parents point to you and tell their children to not be like you.

Given that this is not an experience which is at all unique to intelligent people, why should the assumption be that, when this happens to someone intelligent, somehow it was caused by intelligence?

Re: The Bus Ticket Theory of Genius

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I have to disagree with this analysis on a couple different levels.

First, the opening statement that great work is a combination of natural ability + determination. I don't believe this to be the case, and I think this logic only works when you're doing post-hoc analysis for why certain people did well and others did not. There are plenty of people who had both natural ability and determination, yet failed throughout history. Some of them only becoming known long after their death (and whom lived in poverty to that point), others which failed because their choice of interest was considered to be the 'bus ticket collector' at the time.

Which leads me to my second point: We don't actually know if someone being a 'bus ticket collector' is valuable or not until long after their obsessive interest. For example, there are people that archived videos of various new stations. Those videos at the time were considered useless, but now they're more valuable because no one else was really obsessively archiving said video. This sort of thing isn't going to make someone rich or grant them status, but it's something that turned out to be very valuable to society as a whole and something that could be used to make someone rich.

Which ties into the fact that a lot of this is luck. You have to be lucky that what you're obsessed with is truly unique, that it's something that can earn you value now, and that you have the support network or monetary means to seize opportunities when they come across you. Sometimes the greatest discoveries are things that have been found solely by accident. You might be lacking a certain item, and you substitute it with something else which leads to a big breakthrough and so forth. Obsessive interest can help lead us to something great, but sometimes we simply trip upon something greater along the way.

Re: The Bus Ticket Theory of Genius

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My take on genius is that it's akin to insanity, and for some of us, insanity doesn't seem to be so insane (which itself is an insane thing to say). Nikola Tesla ended his life alone, with a box of scrap parts as collateral for his rent ( https://www.history.com/news/9-things-you-may-not-know-about... ). Friedrich Nietzsche wrote "The Parable of the Madman" ( http://historyguide.org/europe/madman.html ), and apocryph…

Couldn't agree more. I also think that it's very easy for society to conflate genius and success. There are loads of folks I went to college with who, to me, were conventionally what I'd think of as geniuses. Extremely talented from a young age, remarkably fully formed, with a very well developed sense of intuition that many folks I've worked with will never achieve.

Regardless, ten years on, that doesn't always translate into self-awareness, happiness, or the ability to shape their lives into something fulfilling long term. For me, the early few years of my career were a very rude awakening of this sort, but once I accepted it, an entirely new world opened up to me. Ironically enough, not feeling the need to compare myself to someone who was a "genius" freed me to truly develop myself to a point I'd never be capable of when I was younger.

Re: The Bus Ticket Theory of Genius

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The key ingredient in the obsession is that you're not seeking personal advantage. I wish there was a better word for this than pg's "disinterested" because it sounds strange to have an intense, all-consuming interest in which you're disinterested (see his footnote about choosing this word). Because you're not pursuing personal advantage, this kind of obsession is incompatible with competition. You're obsessively int…

> I wish there was a better word for this than pg's "disinterested" because it sounds strange to have an intense, all-consuming interest in which you're disinterested. It's interest in the sense of "conflict of interest", not in the sense of finding something fascinating.

Perhaps a word that connotes neutrality like “impartial” would be better in this context?

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Competitive gaming is a particularly good example of this. I followed most of the rise of Dota from trashy Warcraft 3 mod to Valve's multi-million-dollar-prize-pool juggernaut. The first few crops of Dota millionaires all had the same backstory: "I played this game 14 hours a day. If there were tournaments at all they didn't really pay anything. My parents said I was wasting my life. I never had a girlfriend. Everyon…

It’s a confirmation bias. I have a similar story. I dropped out of school at 16, and spent 14+ hours a day playing Stepmania Online, which was Dance Dance Revolution for your fingers. I was one of the best in the world! Then everyone stopped playing and nothing came of it. So for every DOTA millionaire or whatnot there’s likely thousands of people who are obsessed with something equally niche who haven’t realized any…

Ah, Stepmania Online...what a fun time that was. I remember putting in my 6-8 a day after school. I may not have been at the level you were at but I was roughly the same age and quite good. Then, I went to college and no longer had the same desire to play anymore.

Do you still crack open Stepmania every so often for old times sake? I have no idea if any kind of a community still exists around it.

Re: The Bus Ticket Theory of Genius

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it sad and disturbing that so many people worship being a workaholic.

People worship success. Turns out to be better than other hard working people you need to work extremely hard.

Being better than other hard working people can also involve simply kicking the ladder from underneath you, playing the social status game or making bets at the edge of the law and shoving that risk onto other people.

And sometimes no matter how hard you work, you're one of those people under the rungs.

Re: The Bus Ticket Theory of Genius

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post #72

Competitive gaming is a particularly good example of this. I followed most of the rise of Dota from trashy Warcraft 3 mod to Valve's multi-million-dollar-prize-pool juggernaut. The first few crops of Dota millionaires all had the same backstory: "I played this game 14 hours a day. If there were tournaments at all they didn't really pay anything. My parents said I was wasting my life. I never had a girlfriend. Everyon…

Society deify successful people when in reality they are nothing more than serial lottery winners. For every "Ronaldo" there are a myriad of people trying to get there that will end their life as losers because they made an high-stakes bet and lost. The truth in unconfortable and nobody wants to listen about it.

>> Society deify successful people when in reality they are nothing more than serial lottery winners

This is absolutely false and a terrible thing to perpetuate. Work ethic has the highest controllable coefficient to success as an output. Luck exists and the universe is probabilistic, yes, but it is not non-deterministic.

This self-lashing of our community and amongst the populist movement that is growing in popularity in the EU and US is ridiculous, reducing the sum total of human achievement into lucky chance rather than actually understanding the probabilistic universe and knowing that while our actions do not wholly determine our fate, they play the single largest role we have control over, and as such, it would be better to believe the myth that we have full control over our destiny rather than this ridiculous concept that luck controls ~100% of circumstance.

Probability theory needs to be taught in primary school, apparently, because for members of even this community, the fallacy of determinism and binary outcomes run rampant.

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