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Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by DangerousPie »

reallydontask wrote: post #236
jillesvangurp wrote: post #191

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I think it makes sense from that angle but also from the angle that Germany is rich grounds for poaching people that are currently working for one of the other big car manufacturers. E.g. VW just opened a huge plant for producing their EVs in Zwickau which would about 300km away. Brandenburg as a state is an interesting. Crucially, it's not the state of Berlin (Berlin is s city state within the German federation). Th…

> (Berlin is s city state within the German federation). Is that a more literal translation of Bundesrepublik Deutschland? In English, Germany is normally referred to as Federal Republic of Germany?

No, Federal Republic is the correct term (and the literal translation of Bundesrepublik).

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by robert_foss »

willyt wrote: post #240
usrusr wrote: post #110

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According to lore, it all started with the architect deciding against the tried and tested usage of little chimney-like structure on top of the terminal roofs for fire protection de-fuming, insisting instead on some novel, less visible solutions for aesthetic reasons. Those then caused all kinds of follow-up issues, eventually leading into the construction equivalent of the perpetual bugfix cycle, where every fix bri…

Emergency smoke ventilation is a solved problem, ‘little chimneys on the roof’ are one of many different solutions; there are lots of different strategies. So that sounds like nonsense. Source, I’ve worked on mega projects like this. If it’s true that someone decided to swap departures with arrivals once the building was already on site, I would say that’s your problem right there. Whoever is responsible for that cau…

The BER airport was originally meant to be a HUB airport even though no airline wanted to place a hub operation there. AirBerlin was thought of as a good candidate, but that airline no longer exists.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by robert_foss »

tnolet wrote: post #52

I'm curious about how the massive left/anti-fa movement in Berlin will react to this one. They kept out Google after massive protests. Not sure this is the same thing though. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/24/google-ab... p.s. I'm based in Berlin. Have no horse in the race except that the Google office would have been right down the street of where I work.

Being a Berliner, on a personal level it would have been nice for me to have a Google office where they would have been.

But I'm very happy about people standing up for their neighborhood and actually protesting. Having a Google office with >400 decidedly well-compensated people move in would very much change the neighborhood and not for the better.

People fighting for their own local interests is what makes Berlin great, and it is _so_ refreshing after having lived in North America where no-one protests anything and letting corporate interests dominate yours is the norm.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by perlgeek »

jcranmer wrote: post #99
choeger wrote: post #2

Please drop your inevitable BER jokes below so we can recylce them properly later.

Wait, so if I have this correct, the airport took ~6 years to construct and 9 years and counting to correct problems with its construction? Meaning that it would have been faster to tear the entire building down and rebuild it from scratch than it is taking to remedy the issues? How does that happen‽

In addition to the excellent replies so far, there's a compounding problem: The long delay means that new safety regulations for new buildings apply, and so they have to iterate again.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by yorwba »

oska wrote: post #128
jariel wrote: post #50

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Without knowing the backroom deals - Berlin is a nice choice for things because it's like 'East Europe wages' with 'West Europe capabilities'. Germany is a very stable robust economy that might be their #1 'export source' - there's a lot of related knowledge - and in a 'cramped Europe' - the Berlin area is wide open. FYI Berlin has 'wide avenue streets' which are totally unlike most other European places, sometimes i…

Bizarre that this pretty inoffensive comment got flagged to dead. I vouched for you.

If it doesn't say [flagged], it was not flagged. All comments posted by this account start out [dead], i.e. they're banned.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by [deleted] »

yorwba wrote: post #248
romanovcode wrote: post #243

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This chart[0] clearly shows that Germany would have +0.2% GDP per capita without Berlin. [0] https://qz.com/753244/berlin-is-the-only-capital-city-in-eur...

That means the GDP per capita is lower than the country average, not that the GDP contribution is negative and not that getting rid of Berlin would be good for the German economy.

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Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by walterstucco666 »

romanovcode wrote: post #243
wcoenen wrote: post #238

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GDP is comparable to the concept of revenue for a company, which is not the same as profit/loss. Revenue cannot be negative unless the company is charging negative prices. I think what you meant is that Berlin has a net inflow of tax money.

This chart[0] clearly shows that Germany would have +0.2% GDP per capita without Berlin. [0] https://qz.com/753244/berlin-is-the-only-capital-city-in-eur...

How much better would Berlin do, if it wasn't the capital of Germany with all the downsides of it?

I'm from Rome, being the center of the national political activity is a net loss for the city.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by perlgeek »

jayalpha wrote: post #80
choeger wrote: post #2

Please drop your inevitable BER jokes below so we can recylce them properly later.

Best place to store the Boeing 737 MAX airplanes.

Can't; they're storing all the unsold VW cars there: https://www.dw.com/en/vw-finds-a-use-for-berlins-unfinished-...

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

DangerousPie wrote: post #251
reallydontask wrote: post #236

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> (Berlin is s city state within the German federation). Is that a more literal translation of Bundesrepublik Deutschland? In English, Germany is normally referred to as Federal Republic of Germany?

No, Federal Republic is the correct term (and the literal translation of Bundesrepublik).

A federal republic is a form of federation, so calling Germany a federation of states is not wrong. Neither is calling it a federal republic more correct; just more specific.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by Kutta »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #198
NGC404 wrote: post #48

The number sold electric vehicles in germany is still exponential not saturated, the government recently announced to build additional charging stations across the country in the order of 10 thousands and to increase the (tax) incentives for hybrid and fully electric cars. It is a good time to build a factory for electric cars in germany. Berlin is a sweet spot when it comes to talent in high tech, suppliers and tran…

Except Germany has the highest energy prices in Europe, and as long as that doesn't change drastically, e-mobility is for a minority of enthusiasts and people who can afford to be bad at math. Just look at actual numbers of vehicles sold where Diesel still rules. Well, government could raise taxes on mineral oil (already at 63% [1]), but the German state is already drowning in cash and could issue bonds with negative…

Within EU, immediate local demand is barely relevant compared to labor and manufacturing conditions, for setting up a factory. A Tesla factory in Germany will obviously supply at least the whole EU.
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