You can grab the scrollbar in iOS 13. Not sure how recent that feature is because I don’t really miss being able to do it on mobile so I don’t bother trying. Which of course is not to say it’s a bad feature to have there.
Who Killed the Scrollbar?
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Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#252Flipping flip i agree! It's not just scrollbars. I hate the mobilification of everything. I hate that desktop designs are imitating the nonexistent information density of phones. Bring back menubars, and extensive left-hand hierarchies . Even in mobile, it's more practical for me. I like a full page where i can zoom in and out faster between its parts rather than scrolling up and down all the time (I browse reddit in…
I think the biggest culprit is "tap targets", meaning that everything has to be bigger than your fingertip so that it's easy to select on a phone. It leads to crazy amounts of white space around everything. This ruined the presentation of tabular data on the internet, like stock financials or nba.com box scores. They're waaaaaaay harder to read than they were 10 years ago.
Google is to blame for this. If you run your site through their usability wizard, it will warn you when links or buttons are too close together, along with insinuating that you won't rank highly for mobile devices if you don't fix it.
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
In fairness, Dropbox's primary interface on desktops is "my files are there" and nothing else. I can understand why they'd spend most of their UX effort concentrating on platforms where it's not as transparent.
you used to click on the icon in the taskbar and get a menu only. Now you get a full popup with a home screen , advertisements and "notifications" (even though windows has integrated notifications. Never used it
I have never clicked on this before, but mine on Windows 10 isn't what you described, and even if it was... why would I ever click on it? My files are backed up and show up on other machines. They could put animal porn in the UI and I don't think I'd notice.
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#254Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I've just seen the new Microsoft Office. On the desktop. With a big screen. But just pressing the File menu makes the document you work on completely disappear behind something useless. That's been the case for I think a decade now. Maybe longer. To be fair, now days they make really good use of that space. Earlier iterations of that UI were pretty bad, but a giant list of recent documents, a list of recent documen…
I think it auto saves only for Office 365 or SharePoint based documents. It definitely doesn't auto save my documents when they are local or on a network share.
One Drive files as well.
Strange it doesn't do local, but I imagine there are legacy reasons for that. Everything in Office is old. Often it is crazy well engineered, but decisions set in stone decades ago still linger on.
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
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I run XFCE (via Xubuntu) on my home desktop for the same reason. The lightness is a bonus.
Going off on a tangent, but KDE is lighter than XFCE these days. Or at least https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/10/23/bold-... has been making the rounds.
Very interesting news both regarding KDE perf and XFCE team shrink. I hope they can get some workforce.
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh you're right. Interesting. My browser is 1134x1080. I guess maybe in today's world of super high res phones that could be considered a "mobile display".
I don't really understand what's wrong with a full-screen modal menu, or how that means "this is for mobile." It's true that it looks a bit stark on their homepage where there are only 2 links, but it's probably a fairly sensible extensible design that works well when there are many more links or things to see. It's fair to criticize specific visual and UX design details, but it's a bit much to take this as any indic…
> I don't really understand what's wrong with a full-screen modal menu, or how that means "this is for mobile." It's true that it looks a bit stark on their homepage where there are only 2 links, but it's probably a fairly sensible extensible design that works well when there are many more links or things to see.
You never used a computer? There is a thing called a mouse which you have to move to the bottom of the screen to select the bloody thing. I'm shocked that Alan Kay did had the glorious idea of the full screen menu.
> It's fair to criticize specific visual and UX design details, but it's a bit much to take this as any indication that Dropbox doesn't care about desktop users (especially Dropbox) or that everything is being "mobilified."
How to say it without resorting to medical condition: to throw away years of working things in GUI and to come with an "UX" which has the functionality of windows 1.0 shows some mental development problems to say the least.
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was pretty blown away to see that Dropbox's hamburger menu opens to take over the entire screen, including on desktop. In other words, they only considered mobile in their design. You can try it even if you don't have an account, just go to dropbox.com and click the hamburger in the upper right.
I've just seen the new Microsoft Office. On the desktop. With a big screen. But just pressing the File menu makes the document you work on completely disappear behind something useless. I've tried Word and Excel, both behaved so. Insane!
> I've just seen the new Microsoft Office. On the desktop. With a big screen. But just pressing the File menu makes the document you work on completely disappear behind something useless.
Stupidity is contagious. And Microsoft's idea of innovation is copying what the others do and brake it beyond all repair.
> I've tried Word and Excel, both behaved so.
> Insane!
I'm shocked you used such a © "word". The new way to have fun is to be in a meeting and see the presenter trying for 5 minutes to find something in the ribbon menu.
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it auto saves only for Office 365 or SharePoint based documents. It definitely doesn't auto save my documents when they are local or on a network share.
One Drive files as well. Strange it doesn't do local, but I imagine there are legacy reasons for that. Everything in Office is old . Often it is crazy well engineered, but decisions set in stone decades ago still linger on.
> Often it is crazy well engineered, but decisions set in stone decades ago still linger on.
YMMV
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
One Drive files as well. Strange it doesn't do local, but I imagine there are legacy reasons for that. Everything in Office is old . Often it is crazy well engineered, but decisions set in stone decades ago still linger on.
> Often it is crazy well engineered, but decisions set in stone decades ago still linger on. YMMV
Well engineered and coded decisions made in the age of single user desktops are still well engineered. Hard for someone in 1995 to predict the need for a file format that supports real time coauthoring with automatic saving and complete revision control of every edit.
Esp. when the target machine the code had to run on was a 486 with a slow hard drive and a tiny bit of memory.
Of course Office updated their file format, but they probably did it a little bit too soon. I always wondered what would've happened if they had waited a few more years, released in 2007, so probably design started a few years prior. Talk about just being a smidgen too early for a world of unlimited(-ish) data and always on internet connections.
Oops.
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#260Flipping flip i agree! It's not just scrollbars. I hate the mobilification of everything. I hate that desktop designs are imitating the nonexistent information density of phones. Bring back menubars, and extensive left-hand hierarchies . Even in mobile, it's more practical for me. I like a full page where i can zoom in and out faster between its parts rather than scrolling up and down all the time (I browse reddit in…
Incessant hamburgerization is something that I also find annoying. Any time I have to set up Firefox, the very first thing I do is enable the menu bar. My desktop isn't a tablet - stop trying to make it one!
> My desktop isn't a tablet - stop trying to make it one!
Game over. Do you want to play another game?
(...you know - material ui is the new shit. I wonder what are they smoking, i would _love_ to try it too)