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I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s

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Things may get pretty shitty for them, but if I could wager on such a thing, I'd wager on the species surviving.

who would you collect from if you wagered against, and how would you take it with you?

The wager is problematic for both sides. There's no end-point in which someone who was wagering for could collect.

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But they are looking for it. Science demands evidence for your claims. If x could be due to a, but also b, c, d, maybe e, you can't say x = a until you've proved that x ≠ b, c, d, e.

"However improbable", Sherlock Holmes is often brought up in cases like this...

That quote always rubs me the wrong way. To reach certainty through deduction you need a closed domain. Assume Holmes is 100% correct about the information he has, and he has three suspects, two of whom he ruled out. Does that mean the third did the deed? No. There may be information Holmes does not have and there is really no way for Holmes to know he does not have that information.

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it's not even entirely a given that we are the first, as it's unlikely any evidence of a small tribe of sentient dino villagers for example would persist to the present day.

Like a petal on the flower, or an apple on the tree, it's likely that planets fruit at about the same time.

Suggested reading: Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe by Peter D. Ward and Donald E. Brownlee. The basic premise is that complex life is incredibly rare, because only through a series of effectively chance events, did complex life happen on Earth.

Even if each of those events were actually inevitable, planet size, radiation received from host star, exact chemical makeup of atmosphere/oceans and any number of other variables could affect the time scale for a planet to fruit.

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Here's the deal. There seems to be a default mode of behavior where people automatically reject news that conflicts with the status quo. In this case, these people are senior scientists not involved in the original mission. It's very unfair. Breakthroughs in knowledge could be happening right beneath our noses and people (not involved in the project), are actively surpressing or invoking pretzel logic to belittle the findings.

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The biological plausible explanation is that there simply has not been enough time for other civilizations to form up. It took us 4 billion years to reach civilization from primordial goo. Apparently not many planets remain habitable that long. It does not matter if you have a trillion planets if they don't remain stable long enough.

In all the vastness of the universe, “we were the first” is a stupendously implausible hypothesis compared to “we were the only”.

It is also stupendously implausible that our civilization arrives at all in a mere 14 billion years, considered against the gazillions of years in the potentially infinite lifespan of the Universe. Yet here we are.

If it is difficult for civilizations to develop, then our existence is so implausible already that being the first is not such a leap.

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It seems like finding life on another planet is held to secrecy, but in my mind wouldn't a country want to take credit for finding the first signs of life outside of Earth? And therefore, if a country was to find and confirm life of another planet wouldn't they report it immediately?

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What is your evidence that there are no aliens, then? Proving a negative in a virtually infinite universe looks like an uphill struggle, don't you think?

Exactly. You can't prove a negative, so there are no aliens. There is not a single shred of evidence _ever_ found to support one iota of research funding. It's science fiction run amok.

> You can't prove a negative, so there are no aliens.

That's self-contradicting.

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I thought life on earth favoring a particular chirality was supposed to be primarily because of like common ancestors and stuff. If you flipped the chiralities of everything, would stuff no longer work? Or, I guess really my question is, would it be nearly impossible for life on another planet to use the opposite chirality instead?

The test is not for right chirality, it's for any preferred chirality. Non-life is half and half at random.

Ah, cool, thanks

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Exactly. You can't prove a negative, so there are no aliens. There is not a single shred of evidence _ever_ found to support one iota of research funding. It's science fiction run amok.

> You can't prove a negative, so there are no aliens. That's self-contradicting.

There is no way to state something that is non-existent is actually non-existent without a bizarre contradiction.

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> You can't prove a negative, so there are no aliens. That's self-contradicting.

There is no way to state something that is non-existent is actually non-existent without a bizarre contradiction.

The whole point here is that you do not know that it is inexistent and that you cannot prove it, either.

You only need to find a single instance of aliens to prove that aliens exist.

You need to carefully analyse the whole universe and not find anything to prove that they do not. Proving a negative is hard.

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