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Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

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Post by conradfr »

barry-cotter wrote: post #140
Pfhreak wrote: post #59

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Pronouns affect most people. Most people use them. If you are talking about trans people, it's estimated to be about 1-3% of people. That's roughly one in thirty to one in a hundred people. That puts it at about the roughly same numbers as the number of redheads. It's uncommon, sure, but it's not totally minuscule. Trans folks are also one of the most likely (if not the most likely) minorities to suffer physical viol…

> If you are talking about trans people, it's estimated to be about 1-3% of people. Transgender Demographics: A Household Probability Sample of US Adults, 2014 American Journal of Public Health https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5227939/ Transgender individuals made up 0.53% (95% confidence interval = 0.46, 0.61) of the population

Plus how many of them care about pronouns other than he/she?

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

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Post by thefz »

onetime0001 wrote: post #32

I don’t understand why gender/pronouns is even being discussed. Someone’s personal feelings don’t really have any place in a question/answers site. It’s fine to respect a persons feelings and such when talking to a person but when answering a question or asking the question. The gender/pronoun is irrelevant.

SE's management with this rule is disarming any discussion on the matter a priori, thus avoiding any complication for itself.

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

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Post by crooked-v »

corobo wrote: post #228
greggman2 wrote: post #220

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isn't that what a closed as duplicate question does ? it has a link to the answer. noindex doesn't help. we don't know how to word all questions so leaving the duplicate question indexable gives search more chances to connect a questioner with an existing answer

In theory yes, in reality it just serves to surface the duplicates that aren’t duplicates of the question at all. In the absolute ideal these questions would be answered instead of closed as dupe but right now it just means following a trail of dupes and closures to maybe find the answer before giving up and going back to the search results. Instead of that, give the user the wrong answer straight away so they can ju…

> in reality it just serves to surface the duplicates that aren’t duplicates of the question at all.

Or the questions that are duplicate questions, but with an answer five years out of date that will never get updated because new people interested in the topic don't have enough magic beans to actually do anything.

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#254

Post by ddebernardy »

SnarkAsh wrote: post #20
wyclif wrote: post #11

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Still quite difficult for normies to get to the 15 reputation threshold on SO in order to begin using the site effectively. There are problems here that run a lot deeper than political correctness, though I don't want to minimize how cancerous that has been.

"normies"?

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right_glossary#Normie

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

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Post by crooked-v »

raxxorrax wrote: post #248
lukifer wrote: post #137

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Simler & Hanson provide a pretty solid explanatory framework: http://elephantinthebrain.com/

Have only read parts of that, but describing attributes to human nature mostly fails to do so and attaches them to the author instead. No, not everything is political. From that perspective you could substitute the term politics with "battle for share", which can be political, but doesn't encompass the whole set of politics. You can even generalize that further and it gets more primitive along the way: "Every day is…

> No, not everything is political

Name literally anything and I will point out its political implications.

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#257

Post by lordgrenville »

jessriedel wrote: post #242
lordgrenville wrote: post #236

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SO has so much information already, I think it would be frustrating for people to have to walk away from it and start from scratch, and a huge loss to the community (or anyone who has ever googled "how to do X in lang Y"). However when your community is built on top of a VC-funded for-profit company this is always a risk you take. Maybe the only solution is starting over with a non-profit model.

> I think it would be frustrating for people to have to walk away from it and start from scratch All the StackExchange Q&A content is covered by a Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike license (CC BY-SA). You can start your own website and use all the content. The only sense in which you'd be starting over is with building the community; the existing questions and answers are free to use. https://meta.stackexchang…

Didn't know that - thanks!

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

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Post by LandR »

LandR wrote: post #243
dclusin wrote: post #212

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Because given the prominence of identity as a central cultural debate, this essay comes across as tone deaf. I said it still might be because there's a tendency to judge past works by todays moral standards. For for instance, look at the twitter kerfuffle that ensued when Netflix decided to carry the old television show Friends.

Got a link to the friends issues? Google isn't turning up anything. What was the issue with Friends?

Oh, I see.

Apparently friends is problematic. Racist, homophobic, transphobic, sexist and fat'ist (Is that an 'ist?).

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#259

Post by anon12345690 »

conradfr wrote: post #251
barry-cotter wrote: post #140

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> If you are talking about trans people, it's estimated to be about 1-3% of people. Transgender Demographics: A Household Probability Sample of US Adults, 2014 American Journal of Public Health https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5227939/ Transgender individuals made up 0.53% (95% confidence interval = 0.46, 0.61) of the population

Plus how many of them care about pronouns other than he/she?

yea exactly people use he or she because of your name and looks

if trans people change their name then people will just use the pronoun that goes with the name automatically so its specifically people who have a name that is not normal for that pronoun or visually look different that even have a problem

so its super rare for this to be a major issue to spend all this time even discussing it

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#260

Post by patmcc »

anon12345690 wrote: post #186
patmcc wrote: post #155

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Yes, people will often find it offensive if you use "they" after asked to use "he" or "she". If someone says "I am a man, please use he/him for my pronouns" and you use 'they' - that would generally be considered at least odd, if not inappropriate. I don't think that means it's inappropriate to use "they" as the default if no other information exists though.

uh but using "they" as a neutral way to talk about anyone is just fine. people have been doing that for literally centuries, its called "singular they" this is all about people wanting to be outraged for no reason

"Singular they" is indeed well used, but it's not normally used when the gender of the person in question is explicitly known.

If you use "they" for someone who has specifically said to you "please use the pronouns 'she/her' when referring to me", you are being rude, not neutral.

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