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Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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Post by quickthrower2 »

jononor wrote: post #39
austenallred wrote: post #11

It’s true. Our counsel informed us that we didn’t need to register. Counsel was wrong. Now we have new counsel :) We’ve submitted all the paperwork and have worked closely with California. This all happened a long time ago. I’m not sure what the right level of regulation is (it’s hard taking care of 50 states at once - one state registration was 2,277 pages and weighed 25 pounds https://twitter.com/austen/status/1153…

Are you seeing any positive side-effects from doing the regulatory paperwork? For example from establishing management/quality processes that you did not have from before, but where actually beneficial?

Lack of competition?

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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Post by acjohnson55 »

austenallred wrote: post #11

It’s true. Our counsel informed us that we didn’t need to register. Counsel was wrong. Now we have new counsel :) We’ve submitted all the paperwork and have worked closely with California. This all happened a long time ago. I’m not sure what the right level of regulation is (it’s hard taking care of 50 states at once - one state registration was 2,277 pages and weighed 25 pounds https://twitter.com/austen/status/1153…

So much for "states-as-laboratories" [1]. There may be some usefulness in that concept, but without eventually harmonization of best practices, it can also be incredibly wasteful and create harmful barriers to entry.

[1] https://scholar.valpo.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1888&c...

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Post by charrondev »

nokcha wrote: post #180
gruez wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>you can't charge money to teach people things [...] >Seems like a first amendment violation. The key phrase here is charging money. Commercial speech has always been more strictly regulated than other forms of speech.

"Commercial speech" refers to advertising, or more precisely, speech that "proposes a commercial transaction". It does not refer to speech that is charged for. Newspapers and books are fully protected by the First Amendment even though people pay for them.

Isn’t there specific wording for the press?

> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It clearly distinguishes the press as different from speech, but teaching someone certainly seems like it would fall under normal speech.

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Post by jcims »

austenallred wrote: post #241
jcims wrote: post #227

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I think it would be interesting to know how much you feel this process has influenced the actual curriculum and delivery methods. The last thing we need right now is a regulatory approval process creating some kind of pedagogical monoculture that doesn't allow us to explore new ways of educating folks young and old. There are certainly risks involved with deviating from the norm, but there are undoubtedly rewards wai…

Not at all. We have to take what we're currently doing and try to retrofit it to what regulators are expecting. I don’t think (for us) this process have improved the school at all.

Retrofit in reporting or delivery? That’s precisely the effect I’m interested in. Even if it doesn’t impact what you deliver to students there is still a chilling effect and possible blockers to developing novel approaches.

The juice may still be worth the squeeze for larger/funded ventures. Your efforts to translate what you do to what regulators want to see is probably worth it. However, smaller outfits might be inclined to avoid that work by following the regulatory ruts and deliver exactly what they are looking for to avoid these costs/complexities/risks.

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Post by [deleted] »

rolltiide wrote: post #43
TimTheTinker wrote: post #18

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Not directing this at you, but to all - this is a concrete example of why you shouldn’t blindly trust legal (or medical, or spiritual) advice. Ask questions, make sure you understand, and think critically. No one is infallible.

I think this is a concrete example of why to blindly trust legal advice. There are some laws explicitly written to say that ignorance of the law is an excuse. "knowing an willing violation" (I don't know if this is one of them though) Taking that to the logical extreme of having a legal opinion with every email puts you in a very privileged situation with the state It exponentially increases the cost of the state to…

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Post by mehrdadn »

austenallred wrote: post #11

It’s true. Our counsel informed us that we didn’t need to register. Counsel was wrong. Now we have new counsel :) We’ve submitted all the paperwork and have worked closely with California. This all happened a long time ago. I’m not sure what the right level of regulation is (it’s hard taking care of 50 states at once - one state registration was 2,277 pages and weighed 25 pounds https://twitter.com/austen/status/1153…

Out of curiosity, which state had the 25-pound registration?

EDIT: Whoops sorry, didn't realize my comment was submitted twice.

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Post by dragonwriter »

Chris2048 wrote: post #29
TimTheTinker wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not directing this at you, but to all - this is a concrete example of why you shouldn’t blindly trust legal (or medical, or spiritual) advice. Ask questions, make sure you understand, and think critically. No one is infallible.

I thought lawyers are liable for bad advice?

Lawyers are liable for professional malpractice; whether particular bad advice is malpractice and whether the other party chooses to pursue it even if it might be are issues which affects whether they are liable for bad advice.

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Post by peanutgal2600 »

rgbrenner wrote: post #196
freehunter wrote: post #158

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I used to work in compliance and the number of regulations that are punitive punishments for bad things that actually happened is just astounding. SOX compliance is arduous but it only exists (and is as strict as it is) because some banks decided to destroy the global economy just to make a bit of money and couldn't understand why this was a bad thing.

Sox was passed in response to Enron. While that may have been a big failure, it had no effect on the wider economy. In fact Enrons scandal only came out after the 2001 recession ended... the economy grew during and after Enron’s failure.

How much business was lost through the two summers of rotating brown-outs? Datacenter outages? Maybe Enron didn't impact America, but thanks to America's pro-business, anti-consumer laws, Enron really hurt California.

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Post by mehrdadn »

austenallred wrote: post #11

It’s true. Our counsel informed us that we didn’t need to register. Counsel was wrong. Now we have new counsel :) We’ve submitted all the paperwork and have worked closely with California. This all happened a long time ago. I’m not sure what the right level of regulation is (it’s hard taking care of 50 states at once - one state registration was 2,277 pages and weighed 25 pounds https://twitter.com/austen/status/1153…

Out of curiosity, which state had the 25-pound registration? And what was the average and minimum you saw?

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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Post by [deleted] »

Chris2048 wrote: post #29
TimTheTinker wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not directing this at you, but to all - this is a concrete example of why you shouldn’t blindly trust legal (or medical, or spiritual) advice. Ask questions, make sure you understand, and think critically. No one is infallible.

I thought lawyers are liable for bad advice?

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