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Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by perl4ever »

euler_angles wrote: post #201
keeganjw wrote: post #117

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The F-35? Being wasteful? They wouldn't dare...

The program knows it's being wasteful. It is just limited in what it can do about it. Mainly because the same kinds of thinking used to get the program into this mess are what's being tried to get the program out of this mess. Einstein had the definitive quote on how well that works. "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

"Einstein had the definitive quote"

I think you're thinking of Mark Twain.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by ncmncm »

linksnapzz wrote: post #174
vaxman wrote: post #138

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That's outrageous... 1. RE: FORTRAN. VAX FORTRAN was the most awesome implementation of FORTRAN ever. FORTRAN because these systems didn't have much RAM and CPU power was limited. FORTRAN went into the background for a while when the C fad began in the early 1980s; however, academics cringed at C for reasons that the industry would eventually learn "the hard way" and FORTRAN came back along with a government knee-jer…

Bless Your Heart. BTW, this will give you the warm fuzzies: https://www.vmssoftware.com/updates_port.html

Wow, that's recent!

I hope they are optimizing the design to run in a VM, with drivers only for fake VM devices, one of each kind.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by ncmncm »

devonkim wrote: post #135
dvdbloc wrote: post #56

So a couple of the comments here have been mentioning the high pay of people with specialties like this in the context of LM and other defense contractors. My impression from Glassdoor and general conversation with software developers has been the DCs pay pretty low for software in general compared to FAANG or even other engineering companies. Is it true that people with obscure specialties at places like LM can comm…

The larger defense contractors have issues paying software engineers remotely close to private industry nowadays. In certain regions of the US the software market is dominated by defense though. Back in the early 2000s I know of some J2EE architects that pulled $200k as defense contractors once they got a Sun certification. The certification and diploma mill market in the US is driven squarely by big federally funded…

Apparently RSU doesn't mean "real soon unless". It appears to mean, instead, "restricted stock unit", a form of delayed compensation.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by mars4rp »

tempsolution wrote: post #241
commandlinefan wrote: post #239

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Actually I'd be surprised if they're even paying market rate for these developers, regardless of how difficult or impossible it is to find them. COBOL programmers still make about $70,000/year or so ( https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/cobol-programmer-salary-S... ) even though the entire world is going to collapse if they disappear. It would seem that the laws of supply and demand don't apply here.

Yes it does. If there actually was a bigger demand than there is supply, the salary would raise. The main reason why it doesn't is because a programming language or frameworks are not a barrier for any top developer. Skills usually transfer very well. The real crux of the matter is that these companies don't want to pay top salaries and thus don't get top developers. As long as there are people who navigate themselve…

I really don't want to judge your ability, I agree with your comment about C#, Java, JS, C ,... but COBOL is a completely different animal to reason with.

Been there and ran as fast as I could.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by ncmncm »

IndrekR wrote: post #4

Development of F22 started in 1980's. Last VAX machines were manufactured in 2005. There is quite a lot of VME bus based legacy (but speciallized and working) measurement and test equipment still around. I have no involvement in the project, so can not tell for sure; yet would be surprised if any of this is part of the flight hardware.

Apple used to use VME bus, I think. It was Advanced, then. Now it's, technically, Retarded.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by ncmncm »

jki275 wrote: post #125
ch_123 wrote: post #64

ISTR that the avionics code is written in Ada, and runs on top of Intel i960 processors, and that the Ada compiler for that target only runs on VAX/VMS (not even OpenVMS, but specifically VMS on the VAX).

They're moving rapidly away from ADA, as the mandate to use it has been rescinded. C++ 11 is the new standard.

A particularly miserly subset of C++11.

(Or does "MISRA" stand for something else?)

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by ncmncm »

Loughla wrote: post #151
audiometry wrote: post #77

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And you need to be a "self starter"....

I hate those HR phrases for reasons that I believe are my own, maybe others share them. Sure, it's a meaningless phrase and no one is going to say, "I'm not a self-starter, I hate figuring out what to do with my time I wish someone would just hand me a list of things". Or maybe very few people are going to do that. What upsets me the most about phrases like 'self-starter' or 'motivated' or all that other HR shit, is…

There are lots of places where self-starters are absolutely not wanted. "We'll tell you what to do next, and if we don't, you'll sit and wait until we do."

Self-starters are boat-rockers and troublemakers, and generate dissatisfaction among the other, obedient, personnel, and management.

This is not to say that places advertising for self-starters actually want any, or would know what to do if they ever got one.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by thfuran »

evancich wrote: post #230
jhawk28 wrote: post #156

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Not true. Billable labor rates are negotiated with the customer. The actual pay that an employee gets is based on market rates and the perceived value of the employee. The one may influence the other.

You are 1000% wrong. Pay scales are "owned" by the DMCA. https://www.dcma.mil/DCMA-Pricing-Support/ A PhD with 20 years of experience = this pay band You can pay your people whatever you want, but the gov will only pay your people what the DCMA says they are worth. If you pay higher, it comes out of profit (which is also metered by the DCMA) or some other source. Source: A own a R&D engineering company that works for…

Tickets?

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by euler_angles »

atribecalledqst wrote: post #232
euler_angles wrote: post #97

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As someone who has read all of 6016, doing so cost me a good chunk of my sanity. Never mind the fact that many areas of the standard don't matter because the manufacturers of equipment that use those areas made up their own way of doing things that isn't 6016 compliant. So you can comply to the standard, or you can actually work with platforms in the real world, but you can't do both.

I've read and nearly memorized large portions of 6016 as well and I can commiserate with you. I feel a bit of pride mixed with shame at the fact that I know how to quickly jump around in the document and follow all the threads of logic. On the whole I think it's an interesting read, though. And I'm sure knowing it so well doesn't hurt my employability in the industry. Technically I think platforms are supposed to doc…

The biggest noncompliant areas I know of are...difficult to even talk about.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Post by ncmncm »

cicero wrote: post #179
proy24 wrote: post #13

I think all engineers with VAX experience are extinct ...or retired.

I'm 56, and my first job out of college was at General Dynamics Fort Worth Division, which is now part of Lockheed Martin. I did not work on the F-22, aka Advanced Tactical Fighter, but I did work on avionics software for the A-12, aka Advanced Tactical Aircraft, which got cancelled by Dick Cheney in January 1990. I had some contact with ATF engineers because at that time (I can't speak for later), ATF and ATA both u…

A-12 is super hard-core.

Cheney has plenty else to rot in hell for, but canceling A-12 has to count more per unit victim.

But Apollos at the time would not have been running Unix. They had Aegis, which was much better. In some ways. (It took inspiration from Multics.) Some excellent features of Aegis have still not been mainstreamed. But Dragonfly BSD finally got variable expansion in symbolic links! Sort-of.

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