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Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by reitanqild »

michaelt wrote: post #149
SamWhited wrote: post #75

I thought this was just me and their stupid caption being impossible for even humans to solve; turns out I was just being gaslighted this entire time and they're just discriminating against Firefox users? How does the EU or someone not shut down this sort of anti-competative monopolostic nosense? I didn't think I could get more furious about having to struggle with these captions all day, but somehow I am. Please eve…

they're just discriminating against Firefox users? At least part of the behaviour shown in the video depends on factors like cookies, IP address, and whether you have features like anti-fingerprinting protection turned on. [1] Recaptcha is frustrating and I dislike it, especially the slow fade-ins and multiple challenges, but if you repeat the test shown in the video you won't find it 100% repeatable just because you…

After a a couple of minutes they sure should have an idea that I am a human, right?

Especially when I'm logged in with my 12+ year old paid account?

Won't say anything bad about googlers but in between this and the deeply irrelevant ads I get despite all yheir metrics the company seems deeply dysfunctional these days.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by capsha »

judge2020 wrote: post #112
dessant wrote: post #39

I was going through the same ordeal as a Firefox user, so I've made Buster to solve challenges and reclaim some of that lost time: https://github.com/dessant/buster If you're a developer, please consider replacing reCAPTCHA on your site with an alternative. reCAPTCHA discriminates against people with disabilities and those who seek privacy, and it gaslights you into thinking you did not solve the challenge correctly,…

The problem with recaptcha alternatives is that they either are insecure or require time and money to continue to be ahead of bots. All of the "interactive stand-alone approaches" from that page can be beaten with run-of-the-mill OCR (other than perhaps the 3d challenge) and with almost any mobile phone speech recognition engine (and, if the attacker has the money, can send it off to Google's cloud speech-to-text). A…

Yeah, but then again, so many times that I run into Captcha issues, it's on a site that really doesn't need Captcha to begin with.

Why make me solve a Captcha to see static content?

Why make me solve a Captcha to log in when I've already completed one to register?

Why make me solve a Captcha to pay utility bills? Is there some underground group of deviants going around surreptitiously paying other people's utility bills? The monsters.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by simias »

I'm a Firefox user and I did encounter some issues with reCaptchas in the past but this video doesn't convince me at all.

For reference I post regularly on 4chan (not compulsively but maybe a dozen comments a day on average) and if you don't have a pass you have to fill the captcha every time. I only use Firefox. I definitely experienced what this video shows on Firefox in the past (the super-slow loading images) but it felt more like a bug than anything else and it doesn't represent the typical experience. Maybe I tripped one of Google's bot filters somehow and I ended up with a reinforced captcha, or there was a bug somewhere.

The Chrome section of the video is a lot closer to what I see usually, but they make me go through two challenges in a row typically (although that might be 4chan's settings at play).

I'm all for the Chrome hate if it means that people switch to Firefox but I think we need harder data than a short video to call shenanigans on that one.

Off topic rant: the fact that a post with such lack of substance manages to reach 700 votes in 3 hours is frankly depressing, it has no place on this website IMO.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by djsumdog »

crazygringo wrote: post #170

I've never understood what happened to reCAPTCHA, it was originally so great and is now just so, so toxic. Originally it was an awesome solution based on OCR'ing books that usually worked quickly on the first try, and almost never took more than two. Then it turned into a single checkbox (analyzing mouse movement) so it was even faster... and I remember some simple image-based like "select the images of cats" that we…

Yea it was much better when it was run by Carnegie Mellon. I guess selling it to Google seemed like a good idea at the time.

Today I feel like Google uses it mostly for their self-driving-car computer vision projects.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by seieste »

I believe this is part of a greater Google strategy of using their monopoly power.

I’ve noticed that in the last week, Google no longer provides a link to the non-amp version of pages. Previously, you could press two button taps to get to the non-amp page, but now that ability has been removed. This sucks because Amp doesn’t always support all the features of a normal site, like Reddit or blogs (commenting).

I worry how Google will abuse this in the future. Right now they control the first page you visit after leaving Google through AMP, but you can usually find a link to the home page of a site. In the future, they may restrict it further.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by driverdan »

ehsankia wrote: post #118
driverdan wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a common problem with FF if you have any privacy settings enabled. ReCAPTCHA does deep fingerprinting. If you block that fingerprinting it punishes you.

If you come up with another way that is as effective in an ever growing world of bots trying to break anything in their way, I would love to use it. I've had to pay 100x bills on my monthly quota once too often, and as a hobby developer, I just can't afford trying to fight off people abusing my website every day. Yes, resorting to fingerprinting is not ideal, but what's better, asking everyone to solve that hard capt…

Use self-hosted CAPTCHA with simpler solutions. They still keep out the stupid bots that can't get past ReCAPTCHA.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by fasthandle »

taf2 wrote: post #168
granshaw wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, lots of things on the internet don’t work in the most populous country in the world.

Could it have something to do with the most populous country in the world blocking the rest of the world? For fear someone might massacre square...

Hmmm.. ok.. I could and should write something on this a lot longer.

The government facilitate corruption. The government is a hegemony.

Aside from that broad shot, 10 years ago you enter the aforementioned square freely, not only after going through a 'police' security check, bags x-rayed, IDs checked.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by neilv »

crazygringo wrote: post #170

I've never understood what happened to reCAPTCHA, it was originally so great and is now just so, so toxic. Originally it was an awesome solution based on OCR'ing books that usually worked quickly on the first try, and almost never took more than two. Then it turned into a single checkbox (analyzing mouse movement) so it was even faster... and I remember some simple image-based like "select the images of cats" that we…

An insightful remark about ReCaptcha on HN recently (I don't have a link) was that it went from being "are you human" to "which human are you".

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by yumraj »

rdiddly wrote: post #155
yumraj wrote: post #43

Turbo Tax uses Google Captcha when trying to import information from financial institutions. While filing taxes, on several occasions I had to just give up and try again after several hours because the Captcha won't let me pass through and after several attempts Turbo Tax will throw an error - to come back later. It was literally a Nightmare

TurboTax itself is a dumpster fire, too. I recommend doing taxes on paper just to avoid touching Intuit or Google in any way.

I don't think that's an option for anything other than 1040-EZ. I get lost filing with turbo tax, I can't even imagine how it'll be on paper.
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