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Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by dang »

AaronFriel wrote: post #240
dang wrote: post #232

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As I tried to explain upthread, posts like this are poison to HN. We need you, and everyone else, to resist taking arguments in personally accusatory directions.

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No, it's not a fair question to ask if someone is dishonestly manipulating conversation because of who they work for. By doing that you turn a conversation into a cross-examination, turn feelings sour, and give the other person a reason to leave. Most people who post here don't want to deal with that kind of aggressive or passive-aggressive confrontation. It's not that they couldn't—it's that it's a gigantic bummer. In that person's position, most of us would just say "why bother" and leave. Then HN would be much poorer for the loss of a good-faith user. I'm sure your intention was to support the integrity of HN discussion by doing this, but what you're actually doing is making this place—which is always very fragile—more hostile. And not just a little more hostile; a lot more.

If you're concerned about HN being abused, you should email us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can look into it—which I promise we will.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by rossdavidh »

o10449366 wrote: post #146
irrational wrote: post #85

I don't get it. I've used Firefox and Chrome for years. Firefox is easily as good and capable as Chrome. The barrier to switch from Chrome to Firefox is almost non-existent. Is Google counting on the majority of people not being knowledgeable enough or motivated enough to switch browsers?

It's not "as good." I've tried every release of Firefox for the past decade. On Linux and Mac the video performance is noticeably worse than Chrome with significant frame drops, lag, and tearing. Yes, I've tried enabling/disabling hardware acceleration, flash, and all sorts of other flags and options, but the two are still incomparable. Furthermore, even with the quantum update Firefox is still slower for general web…

Uh, that's not my experience at all...I use FF normally, and Chrome not uncommonly (sometimes it's handy to have an entirely separate browser, plus compatibility testing), and I find no noticeable difference.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by lioeters »

marktangotango wrote: post #167
voldacar wrote: post #38

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Check out Ungoogled Chromium, it's pretty great.

Can you elaborate on what this is and why you think it’s so great?

It's a fork of Chromium, the core layer of Chrome, with Google integrations removed (and other privacy-conscious feature removals/additions).

https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by AaronFriel »

dang wrote: post #251
AaronFriel wrote: post #240

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No, it's not a fair question to ask if someone is dishonestly manipulating conversation because of who they work for. By doing that you turn a conversation into a cross-examination, turn feelings sour, and give the other person a reason to leave. Most people who post here don't want to deal with that kind of aggressive or passive-aggressive confrontation. It's not that they couldn't—it's that it's a gigantic bummer.…

Thank you for clarifying the policy, I'll respect that and delete my comments.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by ljm »

ronsor wrote: post #121
ljm wrote: post #98

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This is why it’s so unfortunate and frustrating that people are depending so much on Chromium/Blink. Electron, various browsers that are just skins over the embedded framework... We were still dealing with legacy IE6 (and IE 7/8 by that point also) in 2013! Almost a decade since we got Firefox and the first version of Chrome. The web has empirically suffered through homogeneity and the lack of strong competitors in t…

People depend on Chromium/Blink because there's no other options. You can't really embed Gecko, and WebKit (Safari) can sometimes lack desirable web platform features.

Yet still, we have Rust (a phenomenally innovative programming language) that was conceived, as far as I understand it, to build a new rendering engine. I've not checked in on Servo for some time but they were going for full on ACID2 compliance with CSS, meeting the specs for HTML...A lot of that work became Electrolysis and then Quantum. Mozilla has been a serious lab for innovation without the conflict of interest in ad revenue.

Even if that effort has changed focus, the community now has Rust and I don't think we've seen such a fresh language paradigm since we got Lisp, Haskell, Ocaml, F#, Scala...

In which case, the world has benefitted from browser competition as a total side-effect of competing with the incumbent browser; we got the various evolutions of C and C++. Exactly the same way we got V8 and then nodejs and the whole server-side rendering paradigm with React and JSX.

If we all fall back to Chromium for everything, then Google has achieved a Pyrrhic victory. They need a disruptor to up their game... and it isn't WASM either.

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Post by notatoad »

fiblye wrote: post #177
thrower123 wrote: post #88

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Microsoft might just have the horsepower to keep up with any particularly shitty changes that Google might potentially try to push through, better than some of the other Chromium skins. At least if they want to.

Microsoft displays ads within their OS. They would join arms with Google if they honestly decided to tackle adblocking.

ads within the OS are conveniently exempt from browser adblockers.

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Post by sonar_un »

bigjimmyk3 wrote: post #228
teh_klev wrote: post #165

For work stuff I rely on multiple profiles for different client work (I use about ten of them...so far) and so I stick with Chrome. If Mozilla didn't have such a demented mechanism to operate with multiple profiles then I'd happily switch from Chrome. This is a feature that should be upfront in the UI, not hidden behind about:profiles and it's generally janky UI and behaviour. This needs to be a first class citizen,…

Have you looked at the multi-account containers feature? I think it would do what you are looking for, and it's not restricted to google profiles.

Sorry but multi account containers aren’t even close to the same thing as having separate profiles. This is one of those things for me that keeps me coming back to chrome.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by xur17 »

jamiequint wrote: post #199
rayiner wrote: post #37

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If you look at the benchmark results, aggressively stripping ads and tracking can result in pages loading twice as fast and hours of extra battery life. I'm happy to pay money to view your website, but modern web ads are a ridiculous and punitive payment scheme.

What you're doing is the equivalent of walking into a store, picking up $100 of merchandise, slapping $10 on the counter and walking out because "I'm happy to buy your products, but your prices are ridiculous". It's not a very moral position to take.

It's really not.
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