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Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues
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Re: Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues
#252Finding the right fine for actions like this is hard. On one hand, we (as a society) want it to hurt, to cause the company real pain. On the other hand, we don't want to actually destroy the company. This leads to a "cost of doing business" problem, where evil practices become a preferred path for management, if evil is sufficiently profitable. The underlying problem is that corporations are NOT people, whatever the…
"We don't want to actually destroy the company" It would be bad for investors, but... would it be that bad overall? I guess a replacement could theoretically be worse but they would have to commit to that ideal and not be dissuaded by the fate of their predecessors
It's a fair question, something we should be asking ourselves as a society.
But as I suggested earlier, we're still stuck with a society where a lot of people, perhaps even a majority, find corporate capitalism to be morally righteous, not merely elegant and effective. Corporate life is more sacred than human life in our world, sadly.
Re: Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues
#253I feel like we need something better than fines. It really seems like fines are just becoming part of the cost of business to people with sufficient amounts of money. That could also just be the angry techno-cynic in me though.
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Re: Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues
#254You can find FB all day and it probably won't change a thing, but what if execs could be held personally liable for said transgressions?
Re: Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues
#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm ashamed to say that up until now, when I saw Facebook (or similar) acting evil I thought about the quote, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity". Well, fuck that and fuck me, those people are not idiots, they're criminals.
Not to contradict your overall sentiment, but people often focus on intention with these issues. I think that's wrong. Like, if someone treads dog poo into my house on their shoes, it doesn't really matter if they did it by mistake, or spent ages walking around town trying to find some dog poo to step in before coming to my house; the effect is that there is now dog poo on my carpet. We need to be more dispassionate…
We do distinguish manslaughter and murder however. Someone dies either way, but in that case intent matters.
I think in most of these cases the intent should simply unleash an additional charge or penalty - leading to the imprisonment of executives.
If my company accidentally does something extremely stupid or negligent, or against the interests of my customers, fine me enough to ensure I create systems and oversight to attempt very hard not to.
If it turns out I was doing so intentionally, lock me up and throw away the key.
Re: Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues
#256The diffusion of responsibility here is pretty galling. It's not Facebook it's employees at Facebook. Facebook is people not a person. If nobody steps up then the leaders need to take responsibility.
Re: Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues
#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not to contradict your overall sentiment, but people often focus on intention with these issues. I think that's wrong. Like, if someone treads dog poo into my house on their shoes, it doesn't really matter if they did it by mistake, or spent ages walking around town trying to find some dog poo to step in before coming to my house; the effect is that there is now dog poo on my carpet. We need to be more dispassionate…
There definitely is a difference between someone accidentally tracking dog poo into your house vs someone doing it intentionally; in the first case, you all them to clean it up, and in the second case you break the friendship and/or seek criminal prosection. Likewise for big companies. If a company is acting badly, you need to figure out if it was intentional. In both cases you seek damages, but your approach to maki…
Analogies break down due to the difference of scale between individuals and the biggest companies in the world.
If a company makes an "innocent" unintentional mistake, it can be attributed in part to their choosing not to put resources towards detecting and avoiding that kind of error
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#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Can we quit it with posting this quote every time something negative on Facebook comes up. It’s practically a meme now and, quite honestly, it’s getting annoying.
It is annoying, but it also reflects Zuckerbeg's mindset pretty well. What has changed since that quote is that he has learned to mask that mindset and lie and deflect.
Re: Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues
#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm ashamed to say that up until now, when I saw Facebook (or similar) acting evil I thought about the quote, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity". Well, fuck that and fuck me, those people are not idiots, they're criminals.
Not to contradict your overall sentiment, but people often focus on intention with these issues. I think that's wrong. Like, if someone treads dog poo into my house on their shoes, it doesn't really matter if they did it by mistake, or spent ages walking around town trying to find some dog poo to step in before coming to my house; the effect is that there is now dog poo on my carpet. We need to be more dispassionate…
>Like, if someone treads dog poo into my house on their shoes, it doesn't really matter if they did it by mistake, or spent ages walking around town trying to find some dog poo to step in before coming to my house; the effect is that there is now dog poo on my carpet.
So, whether it's your own two year old or a malicious adult, you think it's wrong to respond differently because they both produced the same harm?
Re: Facebook Expects to Be Fined Up to $5B by FTC Over Privacy Issues
#260Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm ashamed to say that up until now, when I saw Facebook (or similar) acting evil I thought about the quote, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity". Well, fuck that and fuck me, those people are not idiots, they're criminals.
Not to contradict your overall sentiment, but people often focus on intention with these issues. I think that's wrong. Like, if someone treads dog poo into my house on their shoes, it doesn't really matter if they did it by mistake, or spent ages walking around town trying to find some dog poo to step in before coming to my house; the effect is that there is now dog poo on my carpet. We need to be more dispassionate…
Disagree. I can live with things being shitty if we're all on the same side and trying. Intent is everything.