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Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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It doesn't sound like they just snapped a picture. The one guy says they used "supercomputers" for 6 months to get the image.

Sunspots look black relative to the rest of the sun but are actually very bright. Could this be the same thing? How did they set the black level? Is there a description of the procedure somewhere?

EDIT:

Found the paper describing the data processing: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2041-8213/ab0c57

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Hawking radiation for a black hole with this mass would be really small. It actually decreases with added mass. So, this observation does not say anything about Hawking radiation.

Shouldn't it increase, just with square of the radius, so it's dwarfed by all the effects that scale with cube of the radius?

The temperature is actually inversely proportional to black hole mass and the power that is radiated away even falls like the square of the mass. (A rough but illustrative derivation can be found in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation#A_crude_anal... )

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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Is this what we would see with the naked eye if we were close enough to the black hole? Or would we see nothing, because at this distance we would be dead (or the universe ended all around us)?

You'd probably be dead from the radiation (that light peaks in the x-ray wavelengths) long before any of the spatial distortion effects got to you.

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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One of the cool things about this was that the data was too large to ship over the internet (in a reasonable amount of time). They actually shipped physical disks full of data.

Even today, never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of disks...

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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post #251

It doesn't sound like they just snapped a picture. The one guy says they used "supercomputers" for 6 months to get the image. Sunspots look black relative to the rest of the sun but are actually very bright. Could this be the same thing? How did they set the black level? Is there a description of the procedure somewhere? EDIT: Found the paper describing the data processing: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/…

As far as I know K. Bouman [0] was the scientist leading the charge on the image processing/reconstruction. A few of her later papers probably have hints [1, 2] about how this is done, but I haven't seen the official release.

[0] http://people.csail.mit.edu/klbouman/

[1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/1903.08832.pdf

[2] https://arxiv.org/pdf/1702.07361.pdf

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Hawking radiation for a black hole with this mass would be really small. It actually decreases with added mass. So, this observation does not say anything about Hawking radiation.

Shouldn't it increase, just with square of the radius, so it's dwarfed by all the effects that scale with cube of the radius?

Here is an answer from SE https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/318734

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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Good video that correctly predicted the image and describes why it looks the way it does [1]. TL; DR The dark area is the entire surface of the event horizon, including the side facing away from us, plus some more due to photons missing the event horizon "directly" being drawn in. One side is brighter due to its being Doppler boosted. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUyH3XhpLTo

Wow, the video you posted is even more informative and clear than the actual press conference, and it was created by someone who hadn't even seen the image yet based purely on the mathematical predictions of what we would see. Kind of sad that after all the amazing effort and resources that have gone into the creating the image that the international team couldn't have featured an explanation as clear as this in thei…

The video by Veritasium is by a guy who literally got a PHD on the subject of making physics more approachable through videos. He is exactly the person I would expect to provide a more clear and understandable explanation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1tFT4smd6E&feature=youtu.be...

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