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GoFundMe CEO: ‘Gigantic Gaps’ in Health System Showing Up in Crowdfunding

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I think you need to take what you see on reality TV with a grain of salt. That's the size of the moon.

So Hooters worked with the tv show to paint an extremely unflattering picture of their business? Or the show misled viewers and Hooters made no effort to correct the record?

So you think what was portrayed was wholly accurate with no spin?

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That’s exactly what insurance is for, to spread the risk among the entire pool of participants. And the best way to expand the pool as large as possible is with universal healthcare (ie “everyone”). Everyone pays because everyone should pay.

> Everyone pays because everyone should pay. But if everyone pays the same you just conceded the entire victory to adverse selection: people that do not participate in a risk pays for the risk in someone else. The most obvious demonstration of this effect is double-paying in countries that have both private and public healthcare services: you pay twice, once for the public you don't use, and then for the private one.

Which country has a parallel public/private healthcare system?

Most countries with public healthcare have a private supplement that build on top of what the national system already provides: in home care, private hospital rooms, dental and vision, and concierge service. I've yet to see a private system attempt to replace a functional public system.

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> That's how you kill people. You also kill people by not giving them the medication they would want to get, or making it to expensive for it to exist. There is no "clean-hands" solution on this. > here's a reason we have an FDA approvals process and it's not because the barbershop surgeons and snake oil salesmen were doing so well that big government needed to step in and ensure we didn't save so many. Yes, the 1920…

Imagine if every late-night "male enhancement" pill was instead a cancer treatment. That's what the world of snake oil salesmen was like. That's the world you're advocating for. God help us all if you get your way. It's like how the rivers dont catch fire anymore so we don't need an EPA I bet you the costs of disposing of dangerous waste products went up exponentially after the EPA was established, and yet, nobody ca…

The world of people advocating for ineffective cures is already here, you have homeopathy, and you also have plenty of actual pharma that have much bigger placebo effects than clinical effects, or the overstated claims about the latest diet, paleo, keto, pescatarian, vegan, vegetarian, gluten-free.

Can you imagine having diets having to be clinically approved by the FDA? 10 years plus billions of dollars to say you should eat less sugar.

When someone dies because they can't afford insulin, they are paying with their life for your sense of security. But! There is also a way to satisfy your desires, and satisfy mine. You buy your FDA approved drugs, and the ones that don't want to...don't. You get your security, and I get cheap medication.

Re: GoFundMe CEO: ‘Gigantic Gaps’ in Health System Showing Up in Crowdfunding

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Strange contradiction: you are show a case on how federal workers have an undue benefit in comparison to the population, which is what my original argument was. This program seems to be about selecting insurances tho, not an actual insurance. It's tangential.

No, I'm saying it's strange having the people in charge of the government touting a privatized health program for the entire nation except themselves. If private care was so much better than socialized government care, why are the senators, the house members and everyone in the armed forces so staunchly in favor of keeping their socialized care? Don't you think if socialized medicine was murder and death panels and b…

This program is about selecting insurance, it doesnt provide healthcare. It doesnt have doctors that work for the program, its just an insurance selection scheme.

Don't worry about the senators: they are all using private healthcare. Probably even the opposite of your speculation: if they use state solution due to their age, its medicare advantage.

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Okay, but if the small changes were disastrous, whats the guarantee that the big ones will not be?

Totally different things. It's like saying if I tweak this nob and it goes bad, well, why should I switch to a completely different system three counties down? Especially when that totally different system three counties down works for every other developed nation in the entire world. And also some of the developing ones. You should be defending why the American system is better than every other country in the world…

The american health system is worse than other countries for intense regulatory capture and regulation, thats my assessment and one shared by many economists in the healthcare space. Socialized programs dont resolve that. Having medicare for all does not abolish patent law, or creates doctors out of thin air, or reduces the cost of medical school, those are recognized problems. The socialized medicine plan is mostly hiding away the cost and paying it all through taxes: not making it cheaper. That way, the only way you can do it cheaper is by reducing the state offering.

You will not get the canadian health insurance by signing a law that says you will. You will get the american version of it. Please bear in mind medicare itself is also more expensive than canadian health services as it is, thats what the american state gives out.

Re: GoFundMe CEO: ‘Gigantic Gaps’ in Health System Showing Up in Crowdfunding

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GoFundMe is a way for people he knows to come together and donate without having to figure out where/how to wire the money directly to him. That includes auntie Jane, the one you haven't spoken to for 3 years but still cares about your well-being, whether you made stupid decisions or not. Raising this guys' specific Fund is similar to the media defaming you on international tv. Chances are you would call a lawyer and…

Err lol no. Begging pitches would be private (private link) then rather than publicly promoted and searchable, I think you're getting confused with Facebook or email. Not always, but GoFundMe is actually the opposite of what you suggest, these people don't want to hit their own pocket, immediate family (auntie Jane) or close friends - although they are happy for them to "raise awareness" . GoFundMe has reach beyond y…

It is pretty clear that you lack empathy towards something you don't fully grasp or doesn't conform with the way you see, that is unfortunate but understandable.

Places like GoFundMe have morphed into a multi-tool for different groups. There are legit and illegit cases even within areas you may perceive to be "right". I have worked with an individual that needed a transplant and he simply requested close friends and family to support his cause. We went with GoFundMe for a few reasons: (1) it is easier to have a page talking about the matter so people (close friends) can read and empathize, (2) it goes beyond a single social media tool, (3) can be transmitted to friends-of-friends, (4) has an annonymous component to it, (5) allow others that empathize with the cause to support, (6) is well-known [instead of a suspicious link for example]

Can other methods provide some, if not all the few points I bothered to list? Very likely, but that was the option we decided to go with.

Some people don't seem to realize the impact their actions can have on the internet, whether the scammers in places like GoFundMe (look at the reaction ppl are having about it in here) or defamers like you.

Re: GoFundMe CEO: ‘Gigantic Gaps’ in Health System Showing Up in Crowdfunding

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We’re splitting hairs. It’s an upgrade in the sense it replaces primary Medicare coverage while also including supplements (vision, dental, and other such coverage).

You're original comment says you prefer government run insurance and give Medicare as an example, but neglect to note that 36% of Medicare is privately run.

Fair point.

Re: GoFundMe CEO: ‘Gigantic Gaps’ in Health System Showing Up in Crowdfunding

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> Everyone pays because everyone should pay. But if everyone pays the same you just conceded the entire victory to adverse selection: people that do not participate in a risk pays for the risk in someone else. The most obvious demonstration of this effect is double-paying in countries that have both private and public healthcare services: you pay twice, once for the public you don't use, and then for the private one.

Which country has a parallel public/private healthcare system? Most countries with public healthcare have a private supplement that build on top of what the national system already provides: in home care, private hospital rooms, dental and vision, and concierge service. I've yet to see a private system attempt to replace a functional public system.

> Which country has a parallel public/private healthcare system?

Most that I know of. Unless the state has absolute monopoly on primary care providers/General practitioners, you will have both systems in place.

Re: GoFundMe CEO: ‘Gigantic Gaps’ in Health System Showing Up in Crowdfunding

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This is a very interesting idea. I've been thinking that one of the big problems with government today is that most people do think of it as a 'they' instead of an 'us', but I think the reason is more complex than personal relationships being broken. At the core, whatever the reason for it, government is not, in fact, a 'they'; it is an 'us.' Many of us insist otherwise, and give many, many different reasons for it,…

I totally agree and trying to point it out all the time when I hear "they". But the reality is - when some person sits looooong away in Washington and makes some rules - they are hardly connected to the people they represent. Smaller and more compact governing bodies I think would resolve the problem, where we would still get a benefit of a dedicated person working on organizing life in the region, and yet not too di…

> But the reality is - when some person sits looooong away in Washington and makes some rules - they are hardly connected to the people they represent.

I don't think that is the reality. I think that is the illusion that shelter in. It's easy to see them as completely disconnected, but they're not really. Many times, this is a result of having to deal with much greater complexity the larger the scale, and people not taking the time to understand or appreciate that complexity.

We live in a globally connected world. There is no way to get rid of that complexity. Smaller governing bodies might solve some problems, but they will also create problems when considered at a global scale.

Re: GoFundMe CEO: ‘Gigantic Gaps’ in Health System Showing Up in Crowdfunding

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Imagine if every late-night "male enhancement" pill was instead a cancer treatment. That's what the world of snake oil salesmen was like. That's the world you're advocating for. God help us all if you get your way. It's like how the rivers dont catch fire anymore so we don't need an EPA I bet you the costs of disposing of dangerous waste products went up exponentially after the EPA was established, and yet, nobody ca…

The world of people advocating for ineffective cures is already here, you have homeopathy, and you also have plenty of actual pharma that have much bigger placebo effects than clinical effects, or the overstated claims about the latest diet, paleo, keto, pescatarian, vegan, vegetarian, gluten-free. Can you imagine having diets having to be clinically approved by the FDA? 10 years plus billions of dollars to say you s…

No, I get medication and you get unregulated death pills.

Mine cost more under your model than they do now because lower volumes will drive up prices. The market further segments, only the wealthy can afford real medicines and the poor, barely able to afford medicine in the US as is are forced to risk their lives on unregulated garbage snake oil. This is just a way to kick the poor harder but with extra steps.

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