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Re: One of the Biggest At-Home DNA Testing Companies Is Working with the FBI

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Post by djsumdog »

kilo_bravo_3 wrote: post #113
apo wrote: post #62

Few people taking theses tests understand or care about the privacy-destroying effect of what they're doing to themselves and their families. For example, this is from the AncestryDNA (different company) terms of service: By submitting User Provided Content to AncestryDNA, you grant AncestryDNA and the Ancestry Group Companies a perpetual, royalty-free, worldwide, sublicensable, transferable license to host, transfer…

>what they're doing to themselves and their families. This only encourages me. My DNA is on record in various places, and if any relative of mine commits a crime I want the honor of being the person who fucked them and sent them to prison. I would tout the event as an esteemed accomplishment. Everyone seems to be worried about a sci-fi movie where clones are made from cheek swabs or corporations use DNA to deny certa…

Homosexuality was once a crime in the US. So was crossdressing. So was sodomy. At one time a woman could be jailed if it was found she cast a ballot illegally. Consuming cannibals use to be totally legal, then it wasn't and now it sorta is, but only on a State-by-state basis and only because Federal courts haven't made concrete rulings. In the UK and France, it's illegal to draw underage Simpsons characters in sexual activity, but in the US and Japan it's legal (or at least a gray area). The law changes, and prohibition shows that those changes are not always for the better.

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Post by ndnxhs »

kaybe wrote: post #162
kilo_bravo_3 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>what they're doing to themselves and their families. This only encourages me. My DNA is on record in various places, and if any relative of mine commits a crime I want the honor of being the person who fucked them and sent them to prison. I would tout the event as an esteemed accomplishment. Everyone seems to be worried about a sci-fi movie where clones are made from cheek swabs or corporations use DNA to deny certa…

As a German, I see many problems with this point of view. What is a crime can change fast, and it can also mean just being of the wrong group. Don't think it can't and won't happen again.

Or isn't currently happening in other countries. The people here who think nothing is wrong would probably be arrested for something if they lived in another country. I can't travel to many countries because I would be at risk of being arrested for being gay.

Just imagine if we had the technology to identify that through DNA samples.

Re: One of the Biggest At-Home DNA Testing Companies Is Working with the FBI

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Post by ndnxhs »

kilo_bravo_3 wrote: post #188
fucking_tragedy wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fingerprinting is a notoriously inaccurate pseudoscience along with polygraph testing. As was seen on HN[1], consumer DNA tests are also inaccurate. In fact, up to 40% of gene variants on consumer DNA tests are false positives[2]. False positives happen with criminal investigations and DNA testing[3]. And now, consumer DNA databases are generating false positives[4] that upend and potentially ruin innocent people's l…

Fingerprinting is inaccurate. DNA tests are inaccurate. Witness statements are inaccurate. Confessions are inaccurate. Thanks to deepfakes, video is inaccurate. Someone steals your car, eyewitnesses claim they saw them in possession of it, their fingerprints are in it, their hair is in it, a gas station security camera recorded them in it, cops found them in it, and they confessed. "Your honor that evidence is, in or…

Any one of those could be wrong but all of them together are almost impossible to fake. The source of the video is also important. What incentive does a petrol station have to fake a car theft? If you can prove that the station owner is somehow involved then that changes things.

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Post by djsumdog »

odorousrex wrote: post #2

I really can't tell if we are headed towards a "1984" dystopia, a "Brave New World" dystopia, a Black Mirror "Nosedive" dystopia, or now a "GATTACA" dystopia. It seems like we're headed to a horrible hybrid combination of all of the above.

Not everything about Brave New World was bad. The modern polyamorous movement would love the "Everyone belongs to everyone" concept as a way to deal with loneliness. [some spoilers ahead] Sure creativity is reduced, but they've also reduced war and conflict. People who learn to think for themselves aren't executed, they're sent to an island with other thinkers (although the general population is led to believe this island is terrible and a punishment). The classic way of life is preserved .. although at the expense of those people who are sorta in their own little zoo.

Brave New World is more a mixed bag than an absolute hell.

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Post by [deleted] »

apo wrote: post #62

Few people taking theses tests understand or care about the privacy-destroying effect of what they're doing to themselves and their families. For example, this is from the AncestryDNA (different company) terms of service: By submitting User Provided Content to AncestryDNA, you grant AncestryDNA and the Ancestry Group Companies a perpetual, royalty-free, worldwide, sublicensable, transferable license to host, transfer…

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Post by coldcasecracker »

decebalus1 wrote: post #229
coldcasecracker wrote: post #177

while i am on the side of the militant pro-Wikileaks, anti-DeepState, anti-Mass-Surveillance wing and i would happily volunteer to drive the bulldozer over the mass graves of the hundreds of thousands of Cleared Deep State personnel traitors, i don't have much of problem with the FBI querying DNA databases. have you ever looked at how many cold case serial killers there are? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unso…

chill out, the murder rate is going down. Police focusing on non-violent drug offenses and continuously militarizing instead of focusing on those said cold cases is not an excuse to do genetic surveillance at scale. Illicitly building a genetic database with the help of a corporation which is basically screwing over its customers is not the linchpin of solving the 40% of murders which remain unsolved. I get that fear…

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Re: One of the Biggest At-Home DNA Testing Companies Is Working with the FBI

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Post by yks »

hinkley wrote: post #189
kilo_bravo_3 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US, it is already illegal for genetic information to be used as a qualification for employment. (a) Discrimination Based on Genetic Information.--It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer-- (1) to fail or refuse to hire, or to discharge, any employee, or otherwise to discriminate against any employee with respect to the compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment of the emplo…

> In the US, it is already illegal for genetic information to be used as a qualification for employment. No. In the US, it is currently illegal for genetic information to be used as a qualification for employment. Your DNA never changes. Once it's on record it's on record. This isn't like prohibition where as long as you quit before the law comes into effect you are safe. If there is ever a future time you can be pun…

> If there is ever a future time you can be punished for your DNA, the only people who can possibly be 'grandfathered' in are the ones who've avoided submitting their DNA in the first place.

I don't support the point of view of the GP but in all fairness, if we come to the society where DNA is used for widespread discrimination, it will probably be semi-voluntarily collected from the majority of the citizens anyway (e.g. want to have a driver's license? submit the DNA)

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