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After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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This is the thing the ad industry really didn't want people to discover: what if the behavioural and personalised targeting wasn't actually worth the cost?

If that turns out to be true what are all the talented people at Google and Facebook supposed to do?

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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You be surprised how much less sophisticated Googles and Facebooks ad targeting is! We are far away from a machine classifying you as being single and going to the gym every day or liking BMW and having gotten a promotion. Not that I don’t think we couldn’t get there...but today these system are far away from it! Just go to your Facebook ad settings to understand how primitive the information is they have about you.…

One thing I have wondered for a little while is how all these learning algorithms will handle change over time. A lot of my advertising is for things I may have liked perhaps 5 years ago, but no longer have anything to do with. It's also a bunch of super wrong things, like parenting, even though it also thinks I'm a single male who likes holidays, and skiing, even though it doesn't snow where I live and I've never ev…

The strongest signal to fix your targeting is to buy something you actually like from a ad!

The models react strongly to that...i went from years of poor ads to fantastic ads within 2-3 purchases

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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I can't be the only one who thinks behavioral targeting is a bit creepy? This has happened to me at least 3-4 times in the last 2 years: I go to a supermarket or a store that I have never been to, I do shopping and come back home. After a few hours, I pick up my phone to check Email/Facebook, only to find myself staring at an advert for a product that's sitting in my fridge. I mean, come on... The first time this hap…

The real creepy behavior is that companies can openly pay to manipulate you for most of your waking life, and people are fine with it.

By that measure of "manipulating", you're trying to manipulate me with your comment.

The "manipulate" argument is silly.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You be surprised how much less sophisticated Googles and Facebooks ad targeting is! We are far away from a machine classifying you as being single and going to the gym every day or liking BMW and having gotten a promotion. Not that I don’t think we couldn’t get there...but today these system are far away from it! Just go to your Facebook ad settings to understand how primitive the information is they have about you.…

One thing I have wondered for a little while is how all these learning algorithms will handle change over time. A lot of my advertising is for things I may have liked perhaps 5 years ago, but no longer have anything to do with. It's also a bunch of super wrong things, like parenting, even though it also thinks I'm a single male who likes holidays, and skiing, even though it doesn't snow where I live and I've never ev…

Yes! Both Facebook and Google have ad preferences pages you can go to to see what they have inferred about you and delete any wrong things

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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I would be absolutely astounded if targeted ads did not provide significant long-term advantage to a big player like Google. How can it be that having intimate knowledge of someone would not allow you to sell them more stuff? John has a 10th wedding anniversary coming up. Mary is single and goes to the gym every day. Steve just got a promotion and likes the BMW 3 series. Michael is overweight but has just gone on a d…

> How can it be that having intimate knowledge of someone would not allow you to sell them more stuff? John has a 10th wedding anniversary coming up. Mary is single and goes to the gym every day. Steve just got a promotion and likes the BMW 3 series. Michael is overweight but has just gone on a diet. Are such details of no significance determining what ads to show these people? It's possible that some combination of…

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Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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I honestly would not be surprised if the difference in effectiveness of targeted vs untargeted advertisement turns out to be none, negligible or even unfavorable to targeted. Sure, NYT is not enough data to be significant, especially when compensating for my confirmation bias, but I would really like to see more sites stop tracking, at least from an ethical standpoint.

I would be absolutely astounded if targeted ads did not provide significant long-term advantage to a big player like Google. How can it be that having intimate knowledge of someone would not allow you to sell them more stuff? John has a 10th wedding anniversary coming up. Mary is single and goes to the gym every day. Steve just got a promotion and likes the BMW 3 series. Michael is overweight but has just gone on a d…

I am in my mid-30s and I have never ever bought anything that was advertised to me. Ever. I couldn't even say why. Sure, I click on the first links in the google SERP, but just because I am lazy ass.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be absolutely astounded if targeted ads did not provide significant long-term advantage to a big player like Google. How can it be that having intimate knowledge of someone would not allow you to sell them more stuff? John has a 10th wedding anniversary coming up. Mary is single and goes to the gym every day. Steve just got a promotion and likes the BMW 3 series. Michael is overweight but has just gone on a d…

> How can it be that having intimate knowledge of someone would not allow you to sell them more stuff? John has a 10th wedding anniversary coming up. Mary is single and goes to the gym every day. Steve just got a promotion and likes the BMW 3 series. Michael is overweight but has just gone on a diet. Are such details of no significance determining what ads to show these people? It's possible that some combination of…

Hmm, I guess you can A/B test it and see if there is any statistically significant lift with the targeted strategy.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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Ad revenue is growing because the economy ( both in the US and europe ) has been improving, Trump news boost and because the NYTimes/et al has strong-armed tech companies into giving them preferential treatment. The NYTimes and other large news companies have been taking market share from smaller companies like Vox as they push tech companies to drive traffic to themselves over smaller players. Whether it is a temporary bump or has legs, we will have to see. Not sure what GDPR has to do with anything since the ad revenues had been growing before GDPR.

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It does make sense the way you describe it. But the ads I see are way off target. Hell Google's news ... AI or whatever they're doing has been absolutely convinced I'm a Nebraska Cornhuskers fan, probabbly because my team plays them and I google something about them once in a while.... but in the past even when I told Google directly "I don't want to see stories about Nebraska Cornhuskers" ... after a while it again…

Or "let’s sprinkle some noise in here so people think we’re less efficient than we truly are, so that we appear a bit dumber and less creepy." But probably the truth is that these systems aren’t that good :)

Oh they definitely do this. At least the traditional loyalty-card/coupon-enabled physical targeted ads do add enough random stuff that you find it non-creepy, after they had a few high-profile cases back in the day where they started targeted advertising of baby products to teenage girls, and parents got mad. The kicker was they turned out to frequently be real cases of teen pregnancies.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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Meanwhile, NYT experiments with predicting readers’ emotional state and using that information to target ad placement... https://digiday.com/media/project-feels-usa-today-espn-new-y... NYT is deeply hypocritical when it comes to digital advertising.

Yup. uBlock Origin blocks 20 requests, and PrivacyBadger blocks another 7 requests...I wouldn't visit nytimes.com without those installed.
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