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Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by woolvalley »

beat wrote: post #216
bunderbunder wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's possibly something many of us should care more about, though. Suppose your company handles a fair bit of confidential information, and some of that information ends up in Notion as part of your general project management workflow. Now you've got to worry about Notion experiencing a data breach, and whether or not that breach could get you in hot water with your clients, or even into legal trouble. With on-prem o…

But again, that's enterprise. This started with the idea of a personal on-prem solution, which is probably not worth the cost to maintain for the company. I mean, how much is it worth to you to have an on-prem personal solution for a diary ? Because that's the worry... people are afraid that their household budget or their database that tracks the content of various adult films or whatever is going to get exposed. Th…

Personal users want E2E encyrption, so it doesn't matter who is running the server. And most users do not have the skill to run their own server. The technically advanced can just use the enterprise version if they really care about personal on prem.

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by NikolaNovak »

patcon wrote: post #163
NikolaNovak wrote: post #140

Hmm, I cannot seem to create an account without sharing my Google contacts; which I see no need to do and it's needless friction. I get into a loop of clicking checkbox "I don't want to share my Google contacts", then being rerouted back to login page and requested approval to share my contacts. Pricing wise, I wish these types of apps didn't have such a steep escalation as soon as I want to share. $4 for individual,…

> wanting to share this with my wife is four times as expensive as just using it myself, with limited to no appreciable improvement. I would hardly say "no appreciable improvement". IMHO it's appropriate to price products based on the value derived, not the effort to implement each incremental "feature". And the ability to share is the most human feature. We are social creatures. To share and collaborate and be relat…

I absolutely agree with your general principle, as I read it: price is not necessarily determined by your cost (which goes up only incrementally with added users), but by the value (what the customer is willing to pay, which may go up more significantly).

Specifically, however, I am indicating by my post that I'm not willing to pay 4x the price, for privilege of sharing - it does not have that value to me and it's not where my expectations were level-set :). [I currently use ToDoist which makes it easier to start (no privileges/contact sharing required) and add guest-editors/share]

My post is meant to provide feedback: I'm currently not trying their product (and I've explicitly provided why - the seemingly minor request to share my contacts), and I may not become paying customer once I figure out a way to try it (because the jump to my desired level of service is too high). It is up to the developers, if they read it, to gauge how representative I am of the target audience and therefore how relevant my concerns are; I'm assuming somebody like Pateo11 would quickly setup A/B switch - signup with and without asking for contact permissions, and see the impact :)

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by NikolaNovak »

Weizilla wrote: post #231
NikolaNovak wrote: post #140

Hmm, I cannot seem to create an account without sharing my Google contacts; which I see no need to do and it's needless friction. I get into a loop of clicking checkbox "I don't want to share my Google contacts", then being rerouted back to login page and requested approval to share my contacts. Pricing wise, I wish these types of apps didn't have such a steep escalation as soon as I want to share. $4 for individual,…

Where do you see it asking for contacts? It didn't ask me when I signed up and when I check my Google Security settings it only says it has access to: * View your basic profile info (per Google: name, email address, and profile picture) * View your email address

Hi Weizilla; that's interesting!

At approximately 14:00EST, clicking on "Get Started", then inputting a gmail address, offered ability to login via Google; then, request for contact permission. There was no way to avoid it.

As of right now, 16:22EST, that behaviour is different and I'm no longer seeing the prompt. I've tried different computers & laptops/browsers, to ensure it's not some cached/cookied experience, but it _appears_ the actual request is no longer being sent. Not sure!

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by NikolaNovak »

danvayn wrote: post #233
NikolaNovak wrote: post #140

Hmm, I cannot seem to create an account without sharing my Google contacts; which I see no need to do and it's needless friction. I get into a loop of clicking checkbox "I don't want to share my Google contacts", then being rerouted back to login page and requested approval to share my contacts. Pricing wise, I wish these types of apps didn't have such a steep escalation as soon as I want to share. $4 for individual,…

Its really easy to sign up for a Google account for stuff like this, and I have multiple accounts on gmail anyways in case I dont want to share my important personal email.

Thanks Danvayn! :)

Agreed, but -- Ironically, one of the reasons I don't want to share my contacts is that I did use the Google Account I use for commercial tryouts... so there'd be no value in Notion.so having access to the contacts, let alone spamming me with any potential "helpful" tips or contacts or recommendations based on such contacts :P

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by droopyEyelids »

louis-paul wrote: post #47

There is something about Notion that makes it feel very well-made and coherent. It’s one of the few apps I use with this inherent feeling of quality (off the top of my head Sublime Text/Merge, Beyond Compare, Things fall into this category of intangible greatness). Every interaction is delightful, and the app scales really well from basic note-taking to decently complex databases with grouping, filters, relations, te…

Can you link to the Merge software you mention? It's a difficult name to google.

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by cweagans »

cobby wrote: post #245
cweagans wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like they're coming around to the idea: https://twitter.com/NotionHQ/status/1080230116641300481

Is their web version limited in any way compared to desktop apps for MacOS / Windows?

You can't alt+tab to it and offline support isn't there. Not sure if there are any global keyboard shortcuts for quick/easy note capture, but if so, those wouldn't work in the web app either.

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by ktross »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #257
louis-paul wrote: post #47

There is something about Notion that makes it feel very well-made and coherent. It’s one of the few apps I use with this inherent feeling of quality (off the top of my head Sublime Text/Merge, Beyond Compare, Things fall into this category of intangible greatness). Every interaction is delightful, and the app scales really well from basic note-taking to decently complex databases with grouping, filters, relations, te…

Can you link to the Merge software you mention? It's a difficult name to google.

He means Sublime Merge. https://www.sublimemerge.com
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