The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan • Hacker News Board

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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Post by vhjcvnnb » Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 9:03 PM UTC

kkarakk wrote: post #243

jasonjei wrote: post #231

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He does have a choice—and he lives in Hong Kong. There are those Hong Kong citizens that have expressed their free rights yet are not able to enter the Mainland. Here’s the HK newspaper view on him: https://m.scmp.com/culture/books/article/2176919/why-hypocri... This is about Jackie Chan. I’m afraid you’re presenting a strawmam’s argument with respect to what else the Mainland Chinese government has done—while you se…

haha yeah so jackie chan should risk his life,fame and possessions so westerners he cares nothing about can feel good about lambasting china

Couldn’t agree more. The whole simplistic idea of just throwing everything that took years to build just because some stranger can feel good shows a lack of understanding the economic hardship it took to get there.

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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Post by vhjcvnnb » Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 9:17 PM UTC

geggam wrote: post #79

dbingham wrote: post #39

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I think what the previous commenter was reacting to in your post was not your defense of Chan an his memoir as inspirational, per se, but rather the specific phrase "If he can do it anyone can" as ignoring the fact that Chan -- and celebrities like him -- are extreme outliers, and extremely lucky for their success. Yes, Chan worked his ass off. But to have the success he did, he also had to have an insane amount of l…

This word "luck" is used quite often yet every time I see it applied it there is always someone who "seizes opportunity when it comes and does what it takes to succeed" I suppose it is easier to write and also easier to dismiss other people doing something you simply don't want to put in the effort to do so or are too scared to do. of course this is just my observation

You can create luck by being prepared and being at the right place at the right time. One without the other; you can’t seize the opportunity.

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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Post by thedaemon » Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 10:47 PM UTC

fraudsyndrome wrote: post #208

JohnBooty wrote: post #36

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In terms of martial arts action those movies are pale shadows of his earlier Hong Kong work. Partially because Chan is older in those movies and is a little less physically capable. But IMO mostly because of Hollywood's unfortunate style of directing fights and martial arts battles. Traditional Hong Kong martial arts movies use a lot of wide and long, unbroken shots. You can really see the performers performing these…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P75XwOm2JWw Perhaps one of the most best(worst) examples of hollywoods "type" of fight scene - yes this is from netflix but more in reference to any semi-large scale film production in the west.

Here is the opposite of that from Netflix's Daredevil. An extended hallway scene. Perhaps a nod to Oldboy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV1Vzn6xwqQ

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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Post by yawaramin » Sat, Jan 12, 2019, 2:21 AM UTC

vinceguidry wrote: post #240

yawaramin wrote: post #237

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At this point, the 'inspirational' aspect of Jackie Chan being talked about so far in this thread, is watered down to a generic 'he had the courage to do something scary'. I mean, you can say the same thing about Kim Kardashian's photo shoot that 'broke the internet', but I doubt most commenters here would hold her up as an inspirational example.

You're not taking Chan as an inspirational example because you don't live in shithole colonial Hong Kong. If you did, then maybe you'd appreciate more the massive lengths he's gone to improve himself. Instead you and everyone else just compare themselves to him like you deserve his success. That's what's really going on here. Kim Kardashian is indeed inspiring to a certain generation of kids. You can't see her as ins…

I admire the hard work, the craftsmanship, that Jackie Chan puts into his movies. What I don't admire is how he passes off exploitation of kids in his era as character-building or inspirational.

I also find it quite funny to be psychoanalyzed on a discussion forum, although admittedly I've been doing that to an extent with Jackie Chan. In my defence I can say that he's a published author, and this kind of analysis is part and parcel of literary critiques. Your efforts to paint me as jealous of Jackie Chan and Kim Kardashian are, frankly, pretty funny. Maybe step away from Hacker News for a day or so? :-D