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Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by dijit » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 1:44 PM UTC

wodenokoto wrote: post #247

tzury wrote: post #218

From product perspective, Google cloud is far ahead from AWS and Azure. As one who runs a company that operates on all 3, serving over 3b+ HTTPS requests daily, across 250K of web apps, in all continents, I can say clear and simple: GCP Compute, Networking stack and storage are a superior product when compared to AWS and Azure. For every dollar you pay: - You get more compute power per core, while paying less. - You…

> In B2B, the one with the larger sales team will. Around the Nordic countries at least, Google tries to outsource sales to participants in the Google Cloud Partners program. If you want the " face-to-face meetings, price quotes, negotiations, etc", you go to a partner. How one chooses a trusted partner, when ones decision is based on the Google brand, I have no idea...

I only have my own experiences. But in Malmö, Sweden I have direct access to google sales (based in Stockholm)

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by scarface74 » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 1:47 PM UTC

navinsylvester wrote: post #147

Would like to cover few points discussed here. I don't think its fair to judge cloud platforms competency with just the market share since there are players like Microsoft/Oracle who have lot of enterprise foothold. I have used all other major cloud providers and as a power user, have found GCP to be rock solid. Paid support is the only option with all major cloud platforms if you want faster response. I think all of…

Make sure your stack can be migrated over to another provider at very short notice or have at least a footprint with other providers in parallel.

Changing infrastructure over a small increase in price (which rarely happens) is a one of those dreams that techies have but hardly ever happens because the risk of regressions is too high.

The minute you don’t use managed services and you host everything yourself on EC2 instances you have the worse of all worlds - you’re paying more than baremetal, you’re paying the same amount for supporting your infrastructure, and you’re not developing any faster than you could on prem.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by baseballMan » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 1:48 PM UTC

tyler_larson wrote: post #214

I dug into the details earlier this year, and it turned out at the time that Microsoft counts some undisclosed but significant percentage of revenue from sales of Office 365 in their "Commercial Cloud" category, even if you buy it in a box at a store... because in theory that box entitles you to Office In the Cloud. This (Azure plus some percentage of Office) is the "Azure" revenue number that gets compared to AWS an…

Yeah this is definitely true. I think I read that they now include "Commercial" LinkedIn revenue in Cloud revenue reporting.

Pretty sure Google does this too to a lesser extent with including G-Suite in their 'Google Cloud' revenue.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by tootie » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 1:53 PM UTC

Spooky23 wrote: post #161

ChuckMcM wrote: post #57

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I see the same thing, it was also IBM's cloud services pitch that they "understood the enterprise" better than Google or Amazon does. It is a pain to try to compare stuff though because there aren't good standards for "cloud revenue." According to [1] IBM generated $18.5B over 12 months in cloud revenue. While Forbes[2] talks about $6.1B and $6.9B in quarterly cloud revenue of Amazon and Microsoft (a $24 - $28B annua…

IMO AWS is the true king — the Microsoft numbers are spiked by Office 365 licenses, most of which is renting Office itself. Amazon is the only one not playing games with definitions. IBM is very vague, and I would guess that they are recharacterizing traditional software sales as private cloud by giving away cloud management components. Google historically had a strange attitude towards enterprise sales and truely an…

IBM is mostly selling cloud services tacked on to their services projects.

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Post by AtlasBarfed » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 2:06 PM UTC

outworlder wrote: post #110

ewhauser421 wrote: post #69

I see a lot of Google Cloud bashing on this thread, so thought I'd share my viewpoint as a customer. We've been a Google Cloud customer for close to a year now and just recently signed a deal to move all of our infrastructure over to them from AWS. I've previously managed infrastructure spends of $>10M a year on AWS before, so have a decent amount of experience with them. I've never used Azure. We had been running ou…

> Other things like a lack of presence in China could be challenging in the future as well. Well, to be fair, NONE of the big clouds have any presence in China. They are "in China" in name only. For instance, 'AWS' China is not AWS, you will be dealing with Sinnet for Beijing or whoever else operates the Ningxia region. The underlying software is a baby version which doesn't have anywhere near the same amount of feat…

Ssh'ing into China AWS boxes is like 300 baud modem days born again. I work across from people trying to setup AWS China infrastructure and the curse words fly with alacrity and frequency.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by gbersac » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 2:19 PM UTC

partiallypro wrote: post #13

Arqu wrote: post #9

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Their UIs and tooling are inconsistent and clunky. They kind of shove some of their tooling on to you as well. Obviously, my experience is rather shallow here and wouldn't dare go into too deep discussions on that. And the shoving part can easily be avoided with some extra elbow grease.

I've used all 3 major providers, and I am going to have to strongly disagree. Out of UI, Azure is far and above superior with AWS and GCS which are both confusing messes. That is literally the worst complaint I can even think of in regards to Azure.

Are your program .NET ? Because all the people satisfied with Azure I encoutered are .NET users. And Azure seems a good fit for them. But for other people it is awefull.

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Post by stevehawk » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 2:20 PM UTC

SyneRyder wrote: post #244

murukesh_s wrote: post #242

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Which one did you buy? Mac's screen, keyboard (old one), trackpad, build and battery life is unmatched as far as I could say. I found mac hardware have much more longer life (even though Apple may not support it for that long)..

I went with a Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Yoga. It hasn't arrived yet, so I can't directly compare, but I've tried the keyboard & trackpad in store & they feel about as good as my mid-2012 MacBook Pro. I chose the premium screen upgrade to HDR Dolby Digital 500 nits, 8th-Gen Core i7, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, touchscreen/pen & 3yr Next Day On-site Warranty was $1500 cheaper than a MacBook Pro with the same specs. The Thinkpad X1 h…

Thinkpad Yoga (20CD-S02C00) owner here. 4 years and going strong. People on airplanes perpetually confused by my oversized "tablet" that I switched from coding on to highlighting passages in ebooks with a pen. Battery is finally starting to fail though and even though it's an i7 w/ 8GB RAM it is finally starting to feel "slow".

I'd love to hear your thoughts on battery life doing anything useful (not watching movies) with your new one. I'm debating an X1 Carbon, HP Spectre, or XPS 13 to upgrade to in the next few months.

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Post by stevehawk » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 2:21 PM UTC

BonesJustice wrote: post #250

SyneRyder wrote: post #244

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I went with a Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Yoga. It hasn't arrived yet, so I can't directly compare, but I've tried the keyboard & trackpad in store & they feel about as good as my mid-2012 MacBook Pro. I chose the premium screen upgrade to HDR Dolby Digital 500 nits, 8th-Gen Core i7, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, touchscreen/pen & 3yr Next Day On-site Warranty was $1500 cheaper than a MacBook Pro with the same specs. The Thinkpad X1 h…

Nice. The touchpad on my 2013 MacBook Pro doesn’t click properly anymore, and I just don’t like the current line. I just bought a ThinkPad X1 Extreme (i7-8850H, 32GB, 1TB, 4K). I’ve been running elementary OS on it, and while it lacks many of the niceties of macOS (especially for owners of multiple Apple devices), it has a familiar and refined feel.

Have anymore thoughts on that? I'm looking to upgrade my old Thinkpad Yoga.

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Post by wernercd » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 2:28 PM UTC

slededit wrote: post #151

Aloha wrote: post #148

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And the technical reason is you cant run NTVDM when the processor is in long mode, because Virtual 8086 Mode cant be run from Long Mode.

I always thought that was a bullshit excuse. They could have emulated it. Its not like 16-bit apps are on the bleeding edge of performance. Still nobody else is supporting 16-bit applications at all anymore so you have to give them credit.

> they could have emulated it

What's the cost/benefit of that? How much would it cost to build it and how much could they make?

You can theoretically do ANYTHING... but a business exists to make money...

Why does Microsoft support 16bit? because - without a doubt - someone is paying them for that "extra" support.

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Post by nprateem » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 2:29 PM UTC

Johnny555 wrote: post #228

cenal wrote: post #112

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Don’t forget the rapid and severe Google maps price increases. These are the gift that will keep on giving for Microsoft and Amazon in the mindshare of developers and business leaders. Incredibly stupid move.

Do most enterprise companies care about the price of Google Maps? My company hosts on AWS, Azure and GCP, and I couldn't tell you how much Google Maps costs (or indeed, that there was even a paid tier, though it makes sense for embedded maps and such).

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