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Gates Foundation spent $200M funding toilet research

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Re: Gates Foundation spent $200M funding toilet research

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Most properly sized and installed septic tanks do not ever need to be pumped out. They compost on their own and the excess water seeps out underground.

That makes no sense. What happens to the solid material?

What solid material? Fecal matter, toilet paper, small food particles, etc break down in a septic tank.

I suppose there will be very small amounts of minerals that don't break down but they are insignificant.

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This is the closest I could get from 1973, "The Sting" https://youtu.be/M78dkPzChPw?t=4733

That’s not TV; that is a feature film.

I'm confused. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier is also a feature film, so I don't get your point.

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As an African, I can't help but think that all this charity to Africa might be contributing to us lagging behind in the world. With charities helping out so much, will the local government ever get their act together and provide these functions of public sanitation like they are supposed to? Or will they keep stealing public health funds in the knowledge that charity will always swoop down to save the day? Charities…

> most developed countries can point to a "great suffering" that made them quickly turn their shit around, akin to an addict hitting rock bottom.

It's an interesting ethical question on paper, but I bet it's one you wouldn't bother to ask if it were you dying from cholera, "for the greater good". In any case, only the living can hit rock bottom, so I salute the humanitarian effort going into saving lives.

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If you watch the video properly you will see that he did not drink the water

> * If you watch the video properly you will see that he did not drink the water* Then what's he doing at 1:52? Although granted, the Janicki Omniprocessor website says that it doesn't quite produce drinking water quality.

I don't see him gulping the water down. As a matter of fact, the water barely touched his lips.

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"Job creation" by itself isn't a very noble goal. Creating hamster wheels for humans to run on is comically cruel and pointless.

Fundamentally I agree with this, it's very inefficient and wasteful of resources, although I sometimes wonder whether it's the only practical way to provide welfare in places where politics / prevalent ideology oppose direct social policies.

It can also be argued that charities providing all those third world country with basic supplies, like food, clothes or drugs, actually ruin their economies. It's simply impossible for local producers of said goods to compete on price with charity organization that gives those away for free.

If a corporation would try to do that in US, it would be called price dumping and trigger antimonopoly lawsuit against them, but somehow, when it's done to poor African countries we consider it OK, and even expect them to be gratefull for it.

EDIT: I think that China does much better job helping them by making actual investments in their economies, building railroads, factories, etc. You might question their intentions, but you cannot question the results.

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This makes me realize how freaking stupid we are as a nation/group-of-nations: There are issues/problems that are common to all. Especially common to ALL governments, societies, etc. Given a population of X and an infrastructure level of Y with purpose Z that are impacts ABC...N A=Cost B=Scale C=[whatever] N=... So - when you look at the cost of a nation, we assume that we have an infrastructure maturity/development…

Why the fuck was this downvoted so much, comment and contribute please. This is a serious thought experiment.

I didn't vote on your comment, but would opine that it fit the downvote-attracting heuristic of "how freaking stupid we are" + pseudo-thoughtful symbolic algebra + inchoate nerdrage.

Re: Gates Foundation spent $200M funding toilet research

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post #108

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Most properly sized and installed septic tanks do not ever need to be pumped out. They compost on their own and the excess water seeps out underground.

Actually, a proper septic tank (according to EU regulations) has to be water-tight and be emptied regularly. Many beaches on the Mediterranean loose their health pass occasionally due to nearby overbuilding and improper septic tanks.

That's not the case in the US.

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this was contrary to my city-dweller's understanding, so i did some quick wiki-reading and it seems like the reality is somewhere between you and GP's statement? i.e. they do biodegrade waste via anaerobic bacteria, but non-degradable sludge has to get pumped out every few years.

Your city dweller’s habits compel you to throw fat and oil down the drain. These need very high temperature to compost. But then you are also throwing chlorine and ammonia based cleaning agents, which greatly inhibits organic life. If you let the fat and oil solidify at room temp and dispose of them in the trash, and if you use regular soap in the recommended amount, and if you septic tank additive once in a while, y…

This is why you see a jar full of bacon fat and the like in lots of rural homes. They aren't saving it to cook with, they are collecting it to throw out with the trash instead of sludging up the drain and septic system. People are much more careful about what they flush down the drain when they know they will be responsible to fix it if they cause issues.

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I wonder how much of the benefit from all this type of work will be wiped out due to climate change. Seems like increased coastal flooding, conflicts over scare resources, droughts, etc. will harm the most vulnerable far more than the benefit of all these programs combined. Like we'll win a battle but will lose the war.
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