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Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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Re: Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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Crystal City really has so much going for it: 1. As you point out, right next to Pentagon and federal government. 2. Good transportation: right on the Metro and literally across the street from National Airport. 3. If you're going to have 2 headquarters, having them be on opposite coasts makes sense. 4. And I think another one that is pretty unique to Crystal City is that Amazon and their employees definitely want to…

I love how easy it is to get to National on the Metro. I took public transit to Dulles once, and that was notably less easy.

Dulles will be connected to Metro in 2020.

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The politics and culture (which are intertwined). Even if one area or city is more liberal, you're still dealing with a conservative, and possibly racist, sexist and homophobic, state government.

Having lived in Alabama, this would be rather offensive if it weren’t so endearing; Sounds like a child who’s so certain that the closet hides a monster, that they’re too scared to go learn that the noise is just an air vent.

You’re so unwilling to stand behind your statement that you created a sock puppet account to say it for you.

Re: Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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Not too familiar with that, but from what I read they took it pretty seriously and offered some nice tax benefits. They also offered a location in south loop, which is a really nice area of downtown Chicago and still very affordable. It's also a short ride on the train to Midway airpot (not an international airpot like O'hare but much nicer to travel from and to). It's also very close to 3 universities.

Chicago's preferred Amazon location is Goose Island, part of the newly expanded downtown skyscraper district.[1] The city recently approved 18 new skyscrapers for downtown, including 12 for the proposed Amazon site, with an included professional soccer stadium.[2] [1] https://www.chicagoarchitecture.org/2018/03/26/river-distric... [2] https://www.chicagoarchitecture.org/2018/10/18/you-get-a-sky...

Interesting. I see it's near Lincoln Park, also a very nice location with easy access to O'hare via the blue line. Maybe even better than south loop. I assume it's a bit safer (unfortunately crime rates are still very high in many places across Chicago).

Re: Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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> "The company may be having similar discussions with other finalists." The article sounds very speculative. I don't know anything about this place, but if it's expensive like people here say it is, then I don't see the point of Amazon moving there. I think a place like downtown Chicago would make more sense. (if only the winter was not as cold and better public schools...)

Denver still makes the most sense to me. Single hop to Beijing & Shanghai, real estate and wages aren't at DC, Seattle, Bay Area rates quite. Lots of amenities (open space, good beer, close to skiing) that Amazon doesn't actually have to pay for. Decent tech scene (Google, Facebook, Uber campuses, as well as an ever growing Amazon dev presence). Large downtown property looking for a buyer and is probably underrated (…

Denver has some great things going for it, like easy access to mountains and outdoor space. But I must say its downtown is pretty unappealing. Many weirdos (similar to Seattle...) and chain restaurants. I enjoyed my trip to Colorado, but Denver was the most boring part of it.

Re: Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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What the purpose of a perimeter rule? Just curious...

Originally, it was to put regional routes in the regional airport, and long-distance routes in the long-distance airport. (As told to me by an urban studies professor I picked up at Dulles when I was a chauffeur in college.) Similar to how in New York, LaGuardia was supposed to be for domestic flights, Kennedy for international flights, and Newark for freight. But that didn't fully work out. (Same source.)

Ever since Dulles was built, there’s been a struggle to actually get people to use it. DCA is just so much more convenient. I’ve heard from people who were around at the time that it was virtually a ghost town when it opened, and was a great place to fly small planes since there wasn’t much commercial traffic. Even today, the two airports serve about the same number of passengers per year, despite Dulles being approximately eleven thousand times larger.

Personally, I use DCA whenever I can. It usually takes me about fifteen minutes from car to gate. Dulles takes ages and ages, since everything is so far away.

A lot of the rules are just trying to get people to use that big expensive airport more.

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Alaska Airlines has the only DCA SEA nonstop flights I know of. I expect that will become much more popular and expensive...

But how many IAD -> SEA flights are there? It's always been the case that DCA has a limited number of long haul flights. It's nice to be able to WMATA to the airport but IAD is a short Uber away from Crystal City.

It’ll also be a reasonable Metro ride away starting in about two years.

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> most young people I know/work with in California who comes from the South does not want to return for these specific reasons I lived in the City of St. Louis† for 13 years (and in the County for 6 before that) before moving to NYC. What I find is that young folks here who say they're from, say, Cleveland or St. Louis or similar cities in the South and whose experiences since moving have led them to believe that not…

While this is true about the urban areas, the reality of life in a southern city is that the rural areas dominate the political environment and that hamstrings municipalities in various ways. I live in and am from North Carolina and find it barely tolerable despite now living in the most "progressive" part of the state (Durham). Every attempt a city makes to move things forward is faced with obstruction and preemptio…

> Every attempt a city makes to move things forward is faced with obstruction and preemption...

Sounds similar to NIMBYism in other places.

No matter your views, politics are frustrating in some way in every geographic area, I promise.

Re: Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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I suppose the culture, politics, and traditions. Bay Area is generally quite liberal and tolerant, even if it is not the most diverse. Tech workers tend to be highly educated, well traveled, and open to new ideas. In contrast, I feel like the South is more xeno/homophobic, resistant to change, conservative etc. I have well educated family members in the South who are low-key racist. As a single data point, most young…

"quite liberal and tolerant" The Bay has a kind of a specific moral view, which is sometimes applied in a fairly authoritarian manner. It's not very Liberal, and arguably not hugely tolerant either. For example, all sorts of activities which are common and normal in the rest of America and the world are either frowned upon, or considered fully uncool in the Bay. Things like fishing. Hunting. Most sports. Talking abou…

"""It's not very Liberal, and arguably not hugely tolerant either.

For example, all sorts of activities which are common and normal in the rest of America and the world are either frowned upon, or considered fully uncool in the Bay. Things like fishing. Hunting. Most sports. Talking about sports. Twangy accents. Country music. This is a long list."""

Sorry, this isn't the kind of tolerance I was talking about. You're missing my point if you thought that I meant the Bay Area is a bunch an unopinionated amoeba. The Bay Area is just as entitled to not prefer country music as the South is to prefer it. I don't think liking country music in the Bay Area will cause any sane, reasonable person to treat you differently or not be your friend.

(also, the statement "the Bay Area is not very liberal" may be changing slowly from an attitudinal perspective, but certainly that statement does not bear out in the polls)

Your point is well taken though. You're right that both areas have general views about how things ought to be. The main difference that I think most Californians/PNWs really care about are the differences in views relating to social issues, human rights, and tolerance from a governmental and legal perspective. Thinking that fishing is not cool is a little different than your government trying to ban same sex marriage, for example. And thinking hunting is not cool is different than living somewhere that witch hunts immigrants.

Re: Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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How's the public transit there? I was under the impression that this was a major piece of the puzzle for HQ2.

Not great, but could be a lot worse. Crystal city is on two of the main subway lines. And has a Virigina regional rail and Amtrak stop. There is a pretty major bus depot there too. The downside is one of the subway lines only runs every 13 minutes during rush hour. And that cannot be increased without decreasing runs on other lines (because they share a tunnel). Maybe Amazon will convince the governments to run more…

I think you might actually be understating how convenient the airport is. No need for “basically”: it’s quite doable, and there’s even a trail connecting them.

Re: Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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I feel like the South has a long way to come before the average tech worker would want to live and work there. You couldn't pay me enough (literally since comp is so low out there, but also kind of metaphorically as well) to go work and live in any Southern state. Maybe you need a critical mass? - fellow Bay Area tech worker

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