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Its not only about tons of CO2 saved, since that can be fixed by trees. Asthma-causing particulates and other cancer-causing compounds are completely ignored in that calculation, not to mention the opportunity cost of not having that $25k go into something else, like a house.
I agree, but: - the point was about whether changing cars every 5-10 years offsets the cost of building a new car - whatever the car you can still plant the same trees - living near a heavily polluted crossroad in a city, I guarantee you I'd rather have less CO/CO2 (as well as all the other NOx/particles crap) right out of the exhaust, not captured over decades
Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
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Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#252The biggest take away I got from the article was the need to make software last and function even on older devices. They mention ios 12 working on an iphone 5 which really does not impress me. I have an iphone 4s as my daily driver and it can only get ios 9.x. The biggest problem lies in the app store. I can not use many of the apps, some that previously worked because they all want the person to be on the latest ios…
This is the main reason I swore off the iOS ecosystem. Apple encourages developers to target the latest iOS and the latest devices, which is great if you are on the upgrade treadmill. If you aren't, then your apps stop being compatible fairly quickly. If you have bought an app in the past you are allowed to re-download it, but if you haven't, you just get a message saying that you should upgrade your OS.
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And that happens today every day with the iPhone? There are plenty of professionals, both authorized and unauthorized by Apple, that can do nearly any repair necessary on an iPhone.
No, it does not happen with the iPhone or most other Apple products. They are incredibly hostile to 3rd party repairers. Apple is notoriously draconian about ensuring that 3rd parties are blocked from accessing schematics and repair manuals. I'm talking, they threaten lawsuits to anyone publishing schematics, and there is no legal way to obtain those schematics unless you're an Apple authorized repairer - in which ca…
Clearly you have not been to Asia. Plenty of 3rd party iPhone repair shops. Very easy to get batteries and cracked screens replaced.
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Repairabiliy is important. But I think durability is more important as it requires no action by the user. iPhones are pretty solid as far as lasting a long time. I’m using a 5S that is 3 years old and it’s my daily driver. I passed on my old 4 that is still being used as a Netflix/ web browser. This is contrary to competitor phones that have hardware issues as well as ability to keep getting software updates. Nexus 5…
I have an 6 year old cheap Chinese phone which I use as a podcast player now. It has removable battery. I have dropped it many times on cement floor without breaking anything. Old Nokia phones also didn't break so easily and repairable. We still have some working Nokia which were repaired in authorised service centre. So I don't know why people are saying you can only choose one of them.
Certainly some old phones will work. And likely even still work as a phone. My point was that iPhones are more likely to still run and be useful based on their market price. The Nexus 5X price isn’t zero, someone still uses them. But it’s lower.
It’s cool your Nokia works as a podcast player. Does it work as a phone? I loved my old Nokia, but never found them effective enough as a smart phone. But my feature phone from 2004 still boots up and I can play the snake game I bought.
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I could not agree more. It is so frustrating to have a device like my iPad Air 2 sitting unused because the screen got cracked. The cost to repair it was higher than replacement cost. If we care about the environment even one single little bit repairability should be on everyone's priority list. I'm sure the sleek new $1100 iPhones that came out last week are even worse.
> The cost to repair it was higher than replacement cost. At the risk of being rude, you haven’t tried very hard then to replace the screen. It’s pretty easily doable under $100, IF you don’t go to Apple to get it repaired that is.
So thanks for the downvotes all you geniuses, but not everyone lives in San Francisco, NYC or wherever there are street corner repair shops!
You know the other simple device that has been engineered to be un-repairable? Headphones. The barrel connectors on my kids' headphones break and every time I try to repair them it turns into this nightmare of trying to solder tiny wires where the ground is wrapped around them--they did this on purpose to thwart repair so that you keep buying new headphones.
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> There are a dozen gaskets along your car's power train that will set you back multiple times that amount if they fail, yet they don't and you trust them not to. For that reason, I maintain precisely zero of them myself.
Regardless of whether or not you do the repairs yourself, you reap the benefits of the design as some combination of longer life, lower repair bills, and higher resale value.
Apple devices (both laptops and phones) have a dramatically higher resale value than others, so that bit of your argument baffles me.
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> and that if or when something inside it goes wrong or needs servicing, it should be easy to do so. Be careful and precise please. What to you mean by "easy" here in the context of the general public? I think what most people mean by "easy" is "I drop it off/send it away, and I get back something working within a day to a week depending on the product and faster is better, and it costs me nothing for [reasonable amo…
Thank you for disclosing that you fight such legislation. I don't know if that means you're a lawyer for Apple or another firm that is fighting Right to Repair. As a consumer, I am for repairability. Maybe my perspective would be different if my annual bonus depended on increasing the number of units sold every year.
What's there to hide about doing my duty as a citizen to work to make my country a better place?
>I don't know if that means you're a lawyer for Apple or another firm that is fighting Right to Repair.
I don't know if ignoring all my specific arguments entirely and immediately jumping to conspiracy crap means you're a shill for iFixit or the like but the rules of HN ask that everyone assumes good faith as the default position, and those are good rules for an online discussion. Guessing that perhaps you instead just have a very strong emotional connection to the act of tinkering and "repairing" perhaps, FWIW I strongly empathize with you. I absolutely know the feeling of wanting to mess around with things at a lower level then is "normal" and am both upset and threatened feeling by the idea that might get closed down more and more. Nevertheless each specific case needs to be weighed on its merits and the physical violence of the State is a very big hammer to wield. For those of us living in a democracy it is our duty to question and pick at suggestions to do so every single time, even if ultimately we come to agree.
>As a consumer, I am for repairability.
As a consumer I am for reasonable universal expectations of guaranteed lifespan with that built right into the sticker price so that the market can properly function. I absolutely do not think "repairability" is a goal in and of itself to the exclusion of all else, and think that legislating such would hurt consumers.
>Maybe my perspective would be different if my annual bonus depended on increasing the number of units sold every year.
Or maybe your perspective would be different if you considered opposing arguments with rigor and intellectual honesty rather then slimy insinuations and personal attacks? That is the behavior you just engaged in and frankly it's ridiculous, particularly since we both are (apparently?) in favor of enhanced consumer protection. For root's sake, think about what you are actually saying: I specifically called for a legal requirement of something that'd amount to a full warranty with government mandated performance requirements for a period of a minimum of 2 years and going up to 5 years and then ALSO possibly a paid repair/replace requirement after that. This would essentially nuke the enormously profitable extended warranty market just for starters, force companies to internalize public expectations and costs, and you think that's something big corps would be in favor of?? Really?
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#258Does the 'Ensure that Apple products last as long as possible' assume wrapping new iPhone into one of those cases? I don't know if I am alone here, but I find it counter intuitive that to protect my new shiny, I would have to cover it with more or less ugly case to avoid it breaking when I eventually drop it? And since I don't [use cases], maybe consequently, I seem to break them at about ~11 month intervals (althoug…
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#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it does not happen with the iPhone or most other Apple products. They are incredibly hostile to 3rd party repairers. Apple is notoriously draconian about ensuring that 3rd parties are blocked from accessing schematics and repair manuals. I'm talking, they threaten lawsuits to anyone publishing schematics, and there is no legal way to obtain those schematics unless you're an Apple authorized repairer - in which ca…
>No, it does not happen with the iPhone or most other Apple products. They are incredibly hostile to 3rd party repairers. Clearly you have not been to Asia. Plenty of 3rd party iPhone repair shops. Very easy to get batteries and cracked screens replaced.
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Regardless of whether or not you do the repairs yourself, you reap the benefits of the design as some combination of longer life, lower repair bills, and higher resale value.
Apple's pricing for a battery replacement - which I've never needed, and I tend to keep my devices for about three years - is about the same as the price of a new battery from a third-party vendor, and it comes from installation. I've had to replace two screens, and Apple's price is the same as the mall kiosk - and it'll be first-party parts, maintain the warranty, and my fingerprint sensor will still work right. App…
The reason why apple offers those services is because it has competition. If they figure out how to make third party repair intractable, you can expect a full reversion to the "screw you, buy a new device" state of affairs.