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Post by hug »

steveklabnik wrote: post #244
metalliqaz wrote: post #174

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I think this is a good explanation, however don't you find that you have to be a player of the game in order to enjoy watching it? Not being a MOBA player, I can never understand what is going on when watching games like DotA.

Just like regular sports, you need to understand the basic rules, but that doesn't mean you need to know all of them. Most people don't know the full rulebook of sports that they watch. And commentators can make it even more accessible; their expertise is there to help provide context and guidance.

As someone who watches a lot of Dota (at an esports bar with strangers who may or may not know dota) and plays very little, you’re half right.

In football You don’t need to know, exactly, which way the plays are going to go and why, but you do need to know the rough constraints of the game and what is physically possible to perform.

Some of the things that happen in dota are utterly impossible to follow unless you have, at the very least, a knowledge of the (on average 3) active abilities of the ~110 heroes.

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Post by keithnz »

rezashirazian wrote: post #218
prefferot wrote: post #44

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Reading this made me curious. I'll probably check out the programming category tonight if I have time. How is the quality of those programming streams? What goes on in them? Do the streamers answer questions about techniques, etc? Is it just shoptalk/circlejerking? I'm usually a self-starter on learning things, but I can lose interest quickly if I don't get some sort of feedback or have someone to ask questions. MOOC…

The quality is poor. It's mostly gamer streamers trying out something different. They're usually going through a udacity course or hacking a crud web application. There is lot of blindly looking at the screen, reading tutorials or getting frustrated with compilation errors. They do not like to be helped.

I think this is an unfair characterization, there are some REALLY good programmers, some new programmers, and people at all stages of their programming journey.

A lot are doing game programming, I'm less interested in this, but some are very interesting. For instance...

https://www.twitch.tv/jessicamak

Really interesting what she does, and an insane attention to detail.

A HNer I watch when he codes... he does an interesting mix of stuff and has 30+ years of experience

https://www.twitch.tv/nybblesio

there's people coding games with robotic bananas

https://www.twitch.tv/uselessduckcompany/videos/all

.NET devs

https://www.twitch.tv/csharpfritz

who also has coding streams with Microsoft Devs

and numerous others doing embedded development, web development, backend dev, security, crypto, Rust, Lisp, C++, F#, Vimers, IDEers, VSCoders, Emacers.... all sorts.

who

Re: Twitch streamers who spend years broadcasting to no one

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Post by robryan »

ryandrake wrote: post #3

> Despite the sometimes psychologically taxing nature of trying to get noticed on Twitch, some continue to persevere despite the cold indictment of the zero. Maybe I’m advocating a bit of a dark pattern here, but couldn’t Twitch keep streamers engaged by seeding streams with a few fake AI bots as viewers? This seems like it might be a little of the Empty Restaurant Effect. People hesitate to go into a restaurant if t…

Yeah it does feel a bit awkward to watch a stream with no other viewers, if you are just going to lurk. Which probably does make it harder to get over the initial hump. Once a stream has 10+ concurrents and some regulars it is a bit more approachable.

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Post by bcoates »

rootusrootus wrote: post #189
bcoates wrote: post #142

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I get pareidolia from white noise. Not a lot, but enough that the 'sounds' are more distracting than mundane background sounds like TV or music that I can tune out easily.

Even 'naturally' generated white noise (e.g. Marpac Sound Machine)? I have similar problems listening to electronically generated white noise but no problems with the Marpac.

Possibly not lab-grade white noise, just broadband audio noise in general: fans, moving water, RF static, voice codec comfort noise turned up too loud, that sort of thing.

Re: Twitch streamers who spend years broadcasting to no one

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Post by bcoates »

rhizome wrote: post #176
bcoates wrote: post #142

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I get pareidolia from white noise. Not a lot, but enough that the 'sounds' are more distracting than mundane background sounds like TV or music that I can tune out easily.

Hah yeah, I hear melodies in white noise fairly often. Are you a musician by chance?

No but I've spent a good amount of time doing vaguely sound-engineering work where I listen carefully to audio samples. I may have overtrained some pattern-recognition wetware along the way.

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Post by anonytrary »

paulie_a wrote: post #248
metalliqaz wrote: post #14

What I don't understand about Twitch is how anyone has time to consume this content. When it comes to sitting on your butt and watching something, the traditional TV show is moving to an on-demand model. Twitch is a step in the other direction, where if you faithfully consume content from any Twitch channel, you have to sit down and watch for hours every night when the streamer is online. Who does that? I imagine it'…

I honestly don't understand how twitch even exists. I play video games on occasion but can't imagine wanting to watch someone else play.

I thought the same thing when I learned of all the "Let's Play" content on YouTube. There are probably millions of hours of videos of funny people casually playing video games on YouTube. The content comes out so fast, and you can only consume so much of it.

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Post by orliesaurus »

SurrealSoul wrote: post #191
rapt wrote: post #155

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Do you mind going into more detail about how Markipler marketed his youtube channel, besides publicity stunts, bots and click bait titles?

I don't know his marketing plan by any means, and I certainly can not claim he botted views, am I actually fairly certain his views are mostly authentic but that is just me going off of what I know of his moral judgement. I do know he was extremely outgoing, almost weirdly so. I don't know the full extent of his 'hustle' but it wasn't just booting up amnesia every week.

that's unfortunate, it would have been extremely interesting to understand the timeline of actions/events that led to his success! O well

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Post by gameswithgo »

metalliqaz wrote: post #14

What I don't understand about Twitch is how anyone has time to consume this content. When it comes to sitting on your butt and watching something, the traditional TV show is moving to an on-demand model. Twitch is a step in the other direction, where if you faithfully consume content from any Twitch channel, you have to sit down and watch for hours every night when the streamer is online. Who does that? I imagine it'…

you can watch twitch on demand too. its like sports, sports is more fun live.

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Post by walshemj »

metalliqaz wrote: post #14

What I don't understand about Twitch is how anyone has time to consume this content. When it comes to sitting on your butt and watching something, the traditional TV show is moving to an on-demand model. Twitch is a step in the other direction, where if you faithfully consume content from any Twitch channel, you have to sit down and watch for hours every night when the streamer is online. Who does that? I imagine it'…

Depends I have watched / listened to say critical role whilst chilling in the evening and also whilst working at home.

Though this is partially to pick up tips for when I GM IRL though my players aren't as well behaved :-)

Re: Twitch streamers who spend years broadcasting to no one

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Post by rapt »

SurrealSoul wrote: post #191
rapt wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you mind going into more detail about how Markipler marketed his youtube channel, besides publicity stunts, bots and click bait titles?

I don't know his marketing plan by any means, and I certainly can not claim he botted views, am I actually fairly certain his views are mostly authentic but that is just me going off of what I know of his moral judgement. I do know he was extremely outgoing, almost weirdly so. I don't know the full extent of his 'hustle' but it wasn't just booting up amnesia every week.

Thanks anyways.
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