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Employers will do almost anything to find workers except pay them more

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Re: Employers will do almost anything to find workers except pay them more

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Post by jhasse »

rglullis wrote: post #230
jhasse wrote: post #218

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Most health insurances will give you benefits for staying healthy (e.g. visiting the gym or a nutritionist). Visiting the dentist at least once a year will also give you a benefit. There might be other stuff I can't think of right now. So income isn't the sole metric which determines the pay.

Please tell me how I can reduce my TK payment by showing them my gym membership, and I will be very grateful. No sarcasm here. Also, as far as I know there is no benefit in going to the dentist, except as "We pay one dental check-up and one clean-up for year, more than that comes out of your pocket". That is at least what I was told when I went to the dentist.

> Please tell me how I can reduce my TK payment by showing them my gym membership, and I will be very grateful. No sarcasm here.

It looks like the TK doesn't pay for just visiting the gym: https://www.tk.de/techniker/service/leistungen-und-mitglieds...

> Also, as far as I know there is no benefit in going to the dentist, except as "We pay one dental check-up and one clean-up for year, more than that comes out of your pocket". That is at least what I was told when I went to the dentist.

They will pay more for a tooth replacement if you visit the dentist on a regular basis: https://www.tk.de/techniker/service/leistungen-und-mitglieds...

Re: Employers will do almost anything to find workers except pay them more

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Post by ed_balls »

na85 wrote: post #127
jermaustin1 wrote: post #108

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I do contract webdev work for a multi-national in the middle of nowhere in Connecticut. The london office posted a job that is exactly what I do but is paid 5 times less. At the Edinburgh office, 7 times less. Same company, same upper-upper-upper management, but VASTLY different pay scales. Its nuts to think about, especially when I can rent a full 3 bed/3 bath house with basement and garage for about 2 times less th…

Part of that cost of rental is location. London is a world class city, highly desirable by millions of people as a place to live. Connecticut isn't.

> London is a world class city, highly desirable by millions of people as a place to live

London is a great place to be, but horrible to live.

Re: Employers will do almost anything to find workers except pay them more

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Post by dmichulke »

Applejinx wrote: post #222
dmichulke wrote: post #90

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The thing you describe is the narrative of the evil capitalist owner exploiting poor workers. Here's a thought experiment - those (tourism businesses) owners are making lots of money, so why not create such a business yourself (maybe with help of some external capital) and pay better wages and treat your staff better and pay taxes? Your clients will be much happier with you while having to pay the same. Other capital…

Small business guy here. When abusive employment practices give you a competitive advantage and nothing stops you from doing them, you can indeed go and be virtuous and make less money for yourself and your business and lose all day long. At the scale of publically held companies, your bossy evilness is virtue signalling that tells the market that you are viable in the era of Uber and Amazon. Right now, as things sta…

I think you're reading a little too much into my above comment.

Just to reduce my point to the basics:

Either the evil guy makes lots of money (in the sense of profit) -> You start your own business in the same sector -> get some of that market share and profit -> pay your workers better -> everyone is happy except evil guy

Or the evil guy doesn't make a lot of money -> He cannot pay his workers more -> He's not the evil guy.

Sure, this isn't black and white but as long as there isn't a monopoly on anything involved, the above holds.

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Post by logfromblammo »

felix_nagaand wrote: post #208
pc86 wrote: post #112

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> Now what's the dream for these workers? They can never afford to save up on their 500 euro a month. They can never get a loan to open their own business. Work harder. Make more money if you want to do your own thing. Surely there are professionals in Greece making good money working as employees for others. What are they doing that the lazy uneducated worker is not? Do more of that and less complaining that you're…

You're suggesting they pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Put on some boots and try to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Let me know your vertical.

What boots? I can only afford flip-flops. Try pulling on those straps, and see what happens.

Not only are you still not upright, but you just ruined your shoes, and have to pay yet another $3 to replace them.

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Post by merinowool »

petercooper wrote: post #224
toyg wrote: post #186

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Above 70k, you are supposed to start your own business and optimize your expenses through that. Despite recent squeezes on related practices, it's still much better. Not doing it, is basically a gift to the taxman.

Agreed, though I think it's even more a disincentive to pay yourself more than 100K, even if you're mostly on dividends, once you've already seen ~20% come off for corporation tax. For third parties unfamiliar with the setup, to pay yourself those dividends that take you from £100k to £110k, you need to take £12500 of biz profit, then £2500 goes to corporation tax, then £6000 to the taxman in personal taxes, leaving…

At >£100k it is better to create offshore structure, but they are honing on that bit as well.

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Post by kazinator »

owie829 wrote: post #225
thg wrote: post #82

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Here you go: https://outline.com/vKj7vM Basically, whenever there's a website like this that annoys me, I just copy the URL and Outline it: outline.com/$url No clicking through annoying dialogs, or having to use a vpn.

which would appear to be a violation of their terms: If someone else might own the copyright to it, don't submit it. Outline is for reading pages that: * you own the rights to, * is in the public domain, * constitutes fair use, or * you have consent of the copyright holder.

That's not terms of use; it's a feeble attempt to shift any legal issues onto the end user.

It's unlikely to hold up in court; the servers of outline.com and their owners will likely be deemed as creating the unauthorized derived work.

You cannot sue a hyperlink that's floating around in the wild; you cannot prove who created that link.

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Post by fintelligence »

swebs wrote: post #95
muse900 wrote: post #41

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My example comes from Greece where I reside for the past 9 months. People owning touristic buisnesses on the islands are moaning about how much they need more staff and can't find any, and they are arguing why younger people tend to not work and just receive benefits instead of going to work. The argument here that they won't understand though is that, 1st they are paying very low. They are all willing to pay the min…

>The unemployment benefit is 400+ euros per month. So tell me who in their right minds would go to work for 500 euros Is there a limit to how long you can collect unemployment? In Finland if you still haven't found a job in about a year, you stop getting payments altogether. And while getting payments, you still have to prove that you're actually searching for a job and not just trying to scam taxpayers.

The above is incorrect. Basic unemployment benefits are paid for 400 days, but after that you can go on labor market subsidy indefinitely.

The subsidy is ~32€ per day, which is the same as the minimum basic unemployment benefit.

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Post by segmondy »

annabellish wrote: post #15
jdhn wrote: post #5

"That money won’t disappear, of course—it will go into the pockets of workers, and then find its way back into the coffers of corporate America via higher sales." Do people really go out and spend money immediately if they get raises? Personally, if I get a raise, I may treat myself to something nice, but then I immediately go back to my old spending habits so I have more money to save.

For most people? Yes, absolutely. Most people aren't paid enough to cover their needs + enough of their wants to keep them happy, never mind savings. We have a very different perspective to the average worker in tech, where we're usually paid well above our needs + many wants.

Don't buy that. I think it's the media. There are so many reality TV shows and the participants are living in nice houses, driving nice cars. Even movies are fucking unrealistic, you can watch a movie about someone earning minimum wage, yet they live in NYC, in a massive apartment with high ceiling or drive a nice car. The rubbish on TV, both fiction and nonfiction are so far from reality. Yet most consumers desire for that false reality and spend more than they ought to.

Looking at my companies parking lot, I see BMWs, Mercedes, Range Rovers, Escalades, Maserati, Porsches, and tons of new cars, etc I'm in Detroit of all places. We're not getting paid like that!

Most people have new iphones, ear pods, the other day I was in a meeting with about 12 people, 9 of them where wearing iwatch. I can assure you that for the majority it's a fashion statement more than a need.

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Post by chrshawkes »

expertentipp wrote: post #206
sametmax wrote: post #176

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> How and where did you find a US remote job whilst being/remaining in the EU? I worked in Africa for a while, and got many American contacts there. I also have a very high ranked stackoverflow profile, and get offers from there. And I'm extremely active in the Python community. I'm not actively searching a job with an american company, but if I were, I would just apply to any american job offer that interest me as I…

mp3 is ok for me too

I prefer .mp4's

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Post by merinowool »

hellweaver666 wrote: post #180
martimarkov wrote: post #100

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That’s factually incorrect. For example the max tax band in the U.K. is either 40 or 45 %. So you don’t give more than half of your earnings. Also every country in Europe decides how to tax ppl in that country.

But you have to pay national insurance on top of that to pay for the rapidly crumbling NHS.

You also pay VAT on personal purchases...
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