Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee • Hacker News Board

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by ghostbrainalpha » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 5:47 PM UTC

ckastner wrote: post #170

erikb wrote: post #123

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Well, he could just use it himself, e.g. if he at least wants to keep a rather clean image on paper, and maybe the biggest trouble isn't even public knowledge yet.

Indeed, at least to a certain degree. You'd expect a CEO being fired over such a technicality to at least fight back, instead of fully cooperating.

If you wanted to preserve your maximum reputation score for a potential future job as a CEO...

Would you want to be fired for...?

A) Being a bad CEO who can't produce profits

B) Having an inappropriate relationship with an employee

For Mark Hurd, he was able to transition from one great job into another, CEO of Oracle, even after the embarrassment of (B).

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by jonny_eh » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 5:52 PM UTC

conductr wrote: post #247

coryfklein wrote: post #188

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Same reason you can reasonably refer to a male-looking acquaintance as "he" without enforcing a policy of using "they" until you have the opportunity to ask what gender they identify with. Yes, you will get it wrong ~0.1% of the time, but the cost of slight embarrassment one one/both sides is far less than the cost of using non-standard and confusing communication the remaining 99.9% of the time.

It’s people like you that assume I give a damn about sports just cuz I have a wiener (also assumed 99.9% of the time). So tired of the blatant stereotyping!! J/kinda

It's far less than 99.9% of men that care about sports. Sometimes people assume I'm into sports because I'm wearing a baseball hat though, and that's fair.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by balozi » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 5:54 PM UTC

OK: Shipping billions of bug-ridden chips NOT OK: Dipping your pen in the company ink

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by mattthebaker » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 5:57 PM UTC

ansible wrote: post #146

wetpaws wrote: post #143

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Intel has a lot of interesting stuff outside of CPU area, for example NVM

Advancement of that is also dependent on silicon lithography. Again, what's the valuation of Intel if (in the future) we see them churning out the same 1GB NVMe cards at the same cost with the same performance? The valuation of Intel and every other tech company is based on future growth potential.

Neither modern NAND (3D) nor 3D XPoint are directly dependent on planar silicon scaling.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by mattthebaker » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 6:07 PM UTC

acdha wrote: post #120

sbinthree wrote: post #5

There is no way you would fire a CEO you actually wanted in place because they had a consensual relationship with a subordinate in the past . Why are US companies always so aggressive about moralising these issues? No one would take issue if he carried a gun at work. Why is it that corporate morals rule?

Quoting the article: “An ongoing investigation by internal and external counsel has confirmed a violation of Intel’s non-fraternization policy, which applies to all managers.” It's not just the specific act(s) but the fact that he knowingly broke policy, which raises the question of whether he decided other policies also didn't apply to him. CEOs have a lot of power and enormous compensation and, at least in theory,…

Its also company policy that you should be fired on the spot for sleeping at your desk -- some kind of hold over from manufacturing that makes no sense for most office positions.

Risk exposure to lawsuit is incomparable to the relationship case but it was consensual.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by stamps » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 6:17 PM UTC

KSS42 wrote: post #121

stamps wrote: post #119

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Why do you think Apple would develop an x86 chip over other architectures?

I read that as a competitor to x86.

And you have read it right. My mistake.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by Gargoyle » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 6:18 PM UTC

kbar13 wrote: post #225

jgalar wrote: post #166

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Then why not ban friendships in the workplace? Surely they could result in the same kind of perceived biases (e.g. cliques).

surely you can list the differences between a romantic / physical relationship and a purely platonic one and understand why it is bad when it comes to imbalances in power right?

Unequal treatment in the workplace due to friendship is far, far, FAR more common than due to romance. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever worked at a company of more than a few people where it didn't happen.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by ansible » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 6:18 PM UTC

mattthebaker wrote: post #254

ansible wrote: post #146

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Advancement of that is also dependent on silicon lithography. Again, what's the valuation of Intel if (in the future) we see them churning out the same 1GB NVMe cards at the same cost with the same performance? The valuation of Intel and every other tech company is based on future growth potential.

Neither modern NAND (3D) nor 3D XPoint are directly dependent on planar silicon scaling.

That's true. 3D won't help with processors as much, because of heat dissipation issues, but storage will benefit.

However, the planar silicon scaling is what primarily enables cost reduction for production. I expect the (total device) density to continue to increase with the 3D tech, but cost will go up with capacity increases. Maybe not linearly though, because you don't have to pay for extra packaging.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by godelmachine » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 6:20 PM UTC

mathattack wrote: post #179

It was stupid of him to do. The executive suite of large companies is very Game of Thrones. Why leave a knife around for someone to stab you in the back? Of course people knew. And then they were “shocked!!” to formally find out. This is a serious thing. What if you knew about the relationship, and the other person was promoted over you? I worked at a place where 2 colleagues had an open/secret relationship. One was…

>> I guess he can always go to Oracle

Why would a CEO of a microprocessor company be accepted at Oracle?

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by ansible » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 6:22 PM UTC

dnautics wrote: post #208

ansible wrote: post #198

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The Ryzen is better, as another commenter pointed out with the passmark scores. Is it better enough for me to actually go out and buy it? The system the i7-3770 replaced was a 4 year old dual-core, with (IIRC) just 1GB of RAM. The i7 was a dramatic improvement, but I don't feel that the Ryzen would be a dramatic improvement. And that's the issue. It is not just me being a little unimpressed with current offerings, or…

do keep in mind though there is the perspective that we're heading back into the 70s phase where the end user owns dumb terminals and connect into semi-centralized servers. The place where performance is going to be killer is in the server space, which clearly amd is starting to get the jump on intel again, and you are (presumably, don't know what you do as a dev) not the target market. Heck, even if you're a hypersc…

Growth in demand for compute will continue to drive sales for the foreseeable future.

In the "old days", there was also demand from upgrades, but we're seeing that tapering off. And that should be a big concern for the investors.