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Re: Harvard discrimination lawsuit: data show penalization of Asian-Americans

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A "devil's advocate" can refute that by either narrowing or broadening the scope to great individuals/civilizations. When was the last time you heard about african Nobel prize winners? Or african artists/composers? African philosophers or generals? The asians have Confucius, Sun Tzu, etc. speak for them. Whom do the africans have?

You asked "when was the last time..." for Africans as if you were referring to recent history, then went back to Confucius and Sun Tzu for Asians? That's pretty funny. So, are you including Ancient Egypt for Africa or only later? Because, as you know, so much is derivative of that civilization. Otherwise, slightly more recently, do Shaka Zulu, Ras Mengesha Yohannes, and Tariq ibn Ziyad, count for generals? How about…

> That's pretty funny. So, are you including Ancient Egypt for Africa or only later?

Asians still have advanced countries, on par with the biggest and largest white majority countries, do they not? Modern Egypt is a backwards country that is not even in top 100 countries by GDP, HDI, or whatever combination of meaningful metrics to describe a country's civilization level you might choose.

Peace prize is meaningless since Arafat and Obama got one too.

Literature prize is better (though nowhere near as good as hard sciences).

In Soyinka's case though, you don't have much of a leg to stand on, because he was educated in a British dominion and moved to the UK at the still tender age of 20.

> do Shaka Zulu, Ras Mengesha Yohannes, and Tariq ibn Ziyad, count for generals?

No. The first two were either backwards (Shaka argued for strategies that were essentially a zerg rush vs firearms) or woefully unequipped by the standards of the time. Indeed, Shaka's most known victory featured 10:1 numerical superiority. It was also a pyrrhic victory in the grand scheme of things, as the British sent competent officers later and steamrolled the Zulu.

As for Ziyad, few things are known about him and where's his "Art of War" or "On War"?

Re: Harvard discrimination lawsuit: data show penalization of Asian-Americans

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The asians will still get rejected. They're not rejected for racial reasons. They're rejected because they submit uninspiring, cookie cutter applications en masse. This may be because of something in the asian culture. That's outside my expertise.

There is a natural follow-up question: why might other races get rejected at high rates, albeit not for racial reasons (similar to your point)? I think there are questions that many people simply don't want the answers to.

socioeconomic reasons

Re: Harvard discrimination lawsuit: data show penalization of Asian-Americans

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> Neither rednecks nor hippies have any significant influence on how an average white american behaves Meanwhile uber-violent and hyper-sexualized mass-market movies, outright pornography, and death metal are largely produced by white people/entities. Should we discuss the influence they have on how ”average american whites” behave? For that matter, much of "gangsta rap" has been produced by white-owned entities. In…

Mass shootings are insignificant in the total amount of shootings. http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states 2016: 38,658 2015: 36,247 2014: 33,599 2013: 33,636 2012: 33,563 2011: 32,351 2010: 31,672 2009: 31,347 2008: 31,593 Which year have mass shootings by whites amounted to at least 1% of total gun deaths? As for Death Metal bands, how many of the performers in this genre have been arrested for gun-r…

I think you're completely failing to get the point. It's not about statistics, it's about perception (I wonder what percentage of Black Americans actually listen to rap music or have anything to do with 'gangsta' culture). In this case your perceptions are warped because of your own biases. I'm also glad the poster above brought up the example of mass-market movies. Porn is probably another good example of something that no one conflates with 'white culture' even if there are seemingly good reasons to. There are many other aspects of mass culture in the west that are viewed very negatively elsewhere. The poster certainly makes a good point about mass shootings as well, whatever the percentages are they certainly make a huge bang on public perception. We can argue stats all day but what constitutes 'good' culture or 'bad' culture is your own subjective opinion and your (racial) bias makes you blind to one and hyper-sensitive about others

edit - Also by making that distinction btw 'jewish' and 'white' culture you're very plainly showing where you're coming from.

edit - I just took a look through your profile and now I'm not surprised at all. A very common theme emerges lol. You can disregard everything I said above since it won't make sense to you either way

Re: Harvard discrimination lawsuit: data show penalization of Asian-Americans

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Mass shootings are insignificant in the total amount of shootings. http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states 2016: 38,658 2015: 36,247 2014: 33,599 2013: 33,636 2012: 33,563 2011: 32,351 2010: 31,672 2009: 31,347 2008: 31,593 Which year have mass shootings by whites amounted to at least 1% of total gun deaths? As for Death Metal bands, how many of the performers in this genre have been arrested for gun-r…

I think you're completely failing to get the point. It's not about statistics, it's about perception (I wonder what percentage of Black Americans actually listen to rap music or have anything to do with 'gangsta' culture). In this case your perceptions are warped because of your own biases. I'm also glad the poster above brought up the example of mass-market movies. Porn is probably another good example of something…

"Also by making that distinction btw 'jewish' and 'white' culture you're very plainly showing where you're coming from."

You are talking about a genetic reality, Jews are different than most europeans because they partly originate in the middle east and were largely genetically isolated. If you believe in evolution that means they also evolved a different brain structure. They claim to be white when it is convenient.

Re: Harvard discrimination lawsuit: data show penalization of Asian-Americans

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Mass shootings are insignificant in the total amount of shootings. http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states 2016: 38,658 2015: 36,247 2014: 33,599 2013: 33,636 2012: 33,563 2011: 32,351 2010: 31,672 2009: 31,347 2008: 31,593 Which year have mass shootings by whites amounted to at least 1% of total gun deaths? As for Death Metal bands, how many of the performers in this genre have been arrested for gun-r…

I think you're completely failing to get the point. It's not about statistics, it's about perception (I wonder what percentage of Black Americans actually listen to rap music or have anything to do with 'gangsta' culture). In this case your perceptions are warped because of your own biases. I'm also glad the poster above brought up the example of mass-market movies. Porn is probably another good example of something…

My great grandma was jewish.

I'm not white, I'm a minority in the country of my birth.

Do you have any arguments or are these ad hominems[0] all you got?

[0] http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html

Re: Harvard discrimination lawsuit: data show penalization of Asian-Americans

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I think you're completely failing to get the point. It's not about statistics, it's about perception (I wonder what percentage of Black Americans actually listen to rap music or have anything to do with 'gangsta' culture). In this case your perceptions are warped because of your own biases. I'm also glad the poster above brought up the example of mass-market movies. Porn is probably another good example of something…

My great grandma was jewish. I'm not white, I'm a minority in the country of my birth. Do you have any arguments or are these ad hominems[0] all you got? [0] http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html

"Do you even have arguments..."

Can you even read? Go away race troll. Anyone can look through your comment history and see what you are. Not even American pffft.

Re: Harvard discrimination lawsuit: data show penalization of Asian-Americans

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I think you're completely failing to get the point. It's not about statistics, it's about perception (I wonder what percentage of Black Americans actually listen to rap music or have anything to do with 'gangsta' culture). In this case your perceptions are warped because of your own biases. I'm also glad the poster above brought up the example of mass-market movies. Porn is probably another good example of something…

My great grandma was jewish. I'm not white, I'm a minority in the country of my birth. Do you have any arguments or are these ad hominems[0] all you got? [0] http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html

Your comments amount to ideological trolling whether you mean them that way or not. That's not what this site is for, and flamewar about race are especially not what this site is for, so please stop abusing Hacker News this way.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Harvard discrimination lawsuit: data show penalization of Asian-Americans

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My great grandma was jewish. I'm not white, I'm a minority in the country of my birth. Do you have any arguments or are these ad hominems[0] all you got? [0] http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html

"Do you even have arguments..." Can you even read? Go away race troll. Anyone can look through your comment history and see what you are. Not even American pffft.

We ban accounts that attack others like this, regardless of how wrong someone else may be. You may not owe the other person better, but you definitely owe this community better if you want to keep posting here. Please (re-)read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and please don't do this again.

Re: Harvard discrimination lawsuit: data show penalization of Asian-Americans

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"Do you even have arguments..." Can you even read? Go away race troll. Anyone can look through your comment history and see what you are. Not even American pffft.

We ban accounts that attack others like this, regardless of how wrong someone else may be. You may not owe the other person better, but you definitely owe this community better if you want to keep posting here. Please (re-)read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and please don't do this again.

Apologies. I don't usually lose it like that online but this person is an obvious troll. I like that HN is one of the more civil places online and don't intend to be the one to spoil it.

* Also please monitor this user's posts. He has a history of posting fact-free racially inflammatory comments that would be more at home on a forum like 4chan. It would be nice if someone kept an eye on this account. A few examples:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16071344

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=jogjayr&next=1744780...

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=gspetr&next=16069082

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15624778

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