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Re: Anthony Bourdain has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He was an addict and got sober Commenter was talking about alcohol. He drinks a lot of alcohol in most of the episodes I’ve seen.

Addicted to drugs, not alcohol.

This separation needs to end. The sooner, the better. Alcohol is very much a drug.

"An estimated 88,0008 people (approximately 62,000 men and 26,000 women8) die from alcohol-related causes annually, making alcohol the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States. The first is tobacco, and the second is poor diet and physical inactivity."[0]

[0]https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-co...

Re: Anthony Bourdain has died

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The CNN article about his death had this: >Suicide is a growing problem in the United States. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published a survey Thursday showing suicide rates increased by 25% across the United States over nearly two decades ending in 2016. I remember a while back that the general public's tone on suicide was a lot less sober. More of a "man up" sort of attitude. With a growing list…

> Suicide is a growing problem in the United States. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published a survey Thursday showing suicide rates increased by 25% across the United States over nearly two decades ending in 2016.

> I remember a while back that the general public's tone on suicide was a lot less sober. More of a "man up" sort of attitude.

Not trolling: wouldn't this provide (weak, but nevertheless some) evidence that a "man up" sort of attitude was more effective at combating suicide than our attitude towards it now?

Re: Anthony Bourdain has died

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post #20

The CNN article about his death had this: >Suicide is a growing problem in the United States. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published a survey Thursday showing suicide rates increased by 25% across the United States over nearly two decades ending in 2016. I remember a while back that the general public's tone on suicide was a lot less sober. More of a "man up" sort of attitude. With a growing list…

> Suicide is a growing problem in the United States. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published a survey Thursday showing suicide rates increased by 25% across the United States over nearly two decades ending in 2016. > I remember a while back that the general public's tone on suicide was a lot less sober. More of a "man up" sort of attitude. Not trolling: wouldn't this provide (weak, but nevertheles…

no confounding variables in the last 22 years, i’m sure.

Re: Anthony Bourdain has died

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Anyone have any idea why? Not to encourage speculation but was there something hes been publicly struggling with?

Seems like he might have just broken up with his girlfriend. Maybe he did something to offend her and felt guilty about it. Guiltiness is usually more sad than anger.

Like many celebrities, he may have come to terms with the fact that fame and fortune don't make someone happy.

Re: Anthony Bourdain has died

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post #60

>, I can only hope that people as a whole start seeing it as a complex issue and the stigma of mental issues and stress can lessen so that people can get help Possibly inappropriate - but why do people immediately link suicide and mental illness? Why do we stand in judgement declaring it wrong to decide ones own fate? Am I not the master of my own existence and do I not have the right to make a decision on it without…

I understand this way of thinking. I think it is logical to die in a lot of scenarios, and that is why we don't call the right to end your life "suicide" in all cases, like when you have a terminal disease.

But consider this analogy. If "suicide" was a just a judgement, and not a temporary insanity, then people who came close to suicide wouldn't ALL glad that it did not happen.

You would have a significant portion of people who look back and say... I really wish I had taken my life back in 95', that was a really hard year. But that is so extremely rare, its easy to lump the majority of suicidal thoughts into the temporary delusions category.

In some cases people have been contemplating suicide for decades before they do it, which is a common sign of depression. But that is significantly different than wishing that they had done it in the past.

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I struggled with mental health issues my entire adult life. Psychosis, Schizophrenia, Biploar, Anxiety, Suicidal Depression, Panic Attacks. It wasn’t until I changed my relationship to all emotions and then sought out a variety of support to safely go deeply into my experience that I was able to find relief. 1 session of MDMA therapy lifted a decade of suicidal thoughts; session 2 a year later largely freed me of anx…

Thanks for being a light in this darkness!

Re: Anthony Bourdain has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Known mental health condition" is the key sticking point. The CDC's data relies on reports from coroners, medical examiners and law enforcement agencies. The study I cited was based on psychological autopsies, which includes interviews with family members and health care personnel. It is highly likely that many of the people that the CDC identify as having no known mental health condition were either undiagnosed or…

> It is highly likely that many of the people that the CDC identify as having no known mental health condition were either undiagnosed or had kept their diagnosis private. Given that the vast majority of Americans have a diagnosable mental illness at some point during their lives, if anything that is evidence against there being a strong relationship between mental illness and suicide. E.g. supposedly more than 50% o…

Is it possible that the fact of receiving a diagnosis is more strongly correlated with the likelihood of getting help than you accounted for? Also, what is "diagnosable" – that sounds suspiciously different than "diagnosed." That doesn't even sound like a statistic that tracks against individuals, so I don't know how you could make an inference like that.

Even if we saw the statistical effect you predicted (eg. diagnosed mental health issues correlated with a lower rate of suicide), you should consider that the stigma of getting a diagnosis of mental illness, is likely to cause some people who may even know they have a problem, to intentionally avoid getting diagnosed.

Also, these: "I can't seek help because if I do have a mental health issue then my insurance is going to skyrocket / I don't have any health insurance / my insurance doesn't cover mental health."

Re: Anthony Bourdain has died

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post #60

>, I can only hope that people as a whole start seeing it as a complex issue and the stigma of mental issues and stress can lessen so that people can get help Possibly inappropriate - but why do people immediately link suicide and mental illness? Why do we stand in judgement declaring it wrong to decide ones own fate? Am I not the master of my own existence and do I not have the right to make a decision on it without…

I see what you're getting at, but I think the reason that suicide is linked with mental illness is because it goes against our very nature as living beings. If I recall correctly, a majority of people who have 'failed' suicide (for lack of a better term) have stated that they immediately regretted attempting once it hits the point of no return. This is just an assumption, but I think the will to live greatly outweigh…

> our very nature as living beings.

That might be true but another poster already debunked that apparently.

Regardless of the other living beings, you are too quick to dismiss the human side of things, specifically our complex minds and our irrationality regardless of mental fitness.

Does the primitive survival instinct kicks in when suiciding? Surely.

Can it be outweighed by every single bad instant that a person has lived and what they see coming down their way? I don't see why not, and probably more so if your mind isn't thinking rationally.

But I'd argue that none of us are completely rational and so at times even 'healthy' minds can do the unthinkable.

I believe our biggest gift - powerful brain, self awareness and other capabilities that contribute to making us unique; is also our biggest curse :

"What's my purpose?"

"Is there any meaning?"

"Why do all my relationships fail?"

"Do people really like me?"

And so on ...

-- My uneducated perspective.

Re: Anthony Bourdain has died

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Wow, suicide... Most people would tell me his life is their dream. Rest in peace.

Richard Cory

BY Edwin Arlington Robinson

    Whenever Richard Cory went down town,
    We people on the pavement looked at him:
    He was a gentleman from sole to crown,
    Clean favored, and imperially slim.

    And he was always quietly arrayed,
    And he was always human when he talked;
    But still he fluttered pulses when he said,
    "Good-morning," and he glittered when he walked.

    And he was rich—yes, richer than a king—
    And admirably schooled in every grace:
    In fine, we thought that he was everything
    To make us wish that we were in his place.

    So on we worked, and waited for the light,
    And went without the meat, and cursed the bread;
    And Richard Cory, one calm summer night,
    Went home and put a bullet through his head.

Re: Anthony Bourdain has died

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post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate why you brought up your second paragraph? I'm not sure what statement you are trying to make.

Access to means of suicide matters. Most suicidal ideation is temporary and most suicide attempts are impulsive. Men are much less likely than women to attempt suicide, but they are much more likely to die, because they tend to choose more lethal means. In 1998, the UK reduced the maximum pack sizes of paracetamol (acetaminophen) tablets. We saw no reduction in the number of people who attempted suicide by paracetamo…

Quebec's suicide prevention strategy combined evidence-based practices, and managed to halve the suicide rate from 1999 to 2010, and it's been declining ~2% every year since 2010. Everything they do should be studied by anybody interested in this topic since it works. Things like restricting guns or drugs just means they will leap off a bridge or other method, it doesn't address the root causes which Quebec managed to do.
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