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Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by netzone » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:41 PM UTC

thefounder wrote: post #116

deftnerd wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While they're not directly responsible, the problem was entirely of their making. They created a whole new profession (even my 8-year-old son wants to grow up to be a "professional youtubber") and then arbitrarily destroy careers. The created an environment where people could work hard to create their own destiny while giving themselves the ability to destroy those destinies without cause or recourse. It was only a m…

People ahould not put too much trust in youtube-like companies. If you have a youtube career you don't really have a real career/job. You just found a way to make easy bucks. Youtube is not the "internet" of videos. You can have your own website

That's not exactly right. First you would need to know how to use an ad system, probably DFP and maybe DFP Premium if you're expecting a high audience, and probably an organisation to book and handle all those ads to maximise your income. Your website also needs the infrastructure to be able to deliver your content to your audience. That can be hard for a non-technical person, hard and expensive.

So, you have a website with your videos, you have proper advertising on your videos, maybe a subscription system setup. What next? Where do you get your audience?

Today the universal truth is that you get your audience on Youtube, and to some extent Vimeo. You just lost practically 100% of potential customers.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by makecheck » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:41 PM UTC

thefounder wrote: post #116

deftnerd wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While they're not directly responsible, the problem was entirely of their making. They created a whole new profession (even my 8-year-old son wants to grow up to be a "professional youtubber") and then arbitrarily destroy careers. The created an environment where people could work hard to create their own destiny while giving themselves the ability to destroy those destinies without cause or recourse. It was only a m…

People ahould not put too much trust in youtube-like companies. If you have a youtube career you don't really have a real career/job. You just found a way to make easy bucks. Youtube is not the "internet" of videos. You can have your own website

It’s absurdly expensive to live in many parts of the US, and incomes in those same places can be insultingly low.

You can depend desperately on extra income even if you have a job (or two). “Real career/job” is just not something many people can count on in the US, and hasn’t been for a long time. I strongly recommend that you learn more about this. People are really, really hurting right now, no matter how many millionnaires there are.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by simias » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:41 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #82

'De-Monetized' suggests that someone who produces a video has an automatic right to income. That's bonkers, it's already quite a service that Youtube allows you to upload your videos to reach an audience that you'd be hard pressed to serve from your own server. They do this for free. In the previous iteration of such platforms all the ad income would go to the owner of the website, not to the rights owners of the vid…

Are you seriously framing the discussion as "people who think ill of Youtube's monetization scheme are shooter apologists"? I didn't think so reading this comment but you seem to imply than in all your replies in this thread. That's such a ridiculous strawman that I don't even know where to begin.

That being said I agree with your non-crazy point about how video uploaders shouldn't feel entitled to a share of the cake in the first place. If your business model is entirely based on some multinational corporation giving you scraps of their ad revenue then you better have a backup plan ready. Unfortunately the people who do that seem to be very young and probably don't plan that far ahead.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by 13of40 » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:41 PM UTC

ensignro2340 wrote: post #197

emodendroket wrote: post #162

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I want to see what the reaction here would look like if instead AWS we dropping a bunch of customers with no warning.

That would suck for many people, but would totally be in their right. Again - how are people confused about this. If AWS drops you as a customer use an alternative. Moreover, these people's videos are still hosted on YouTube's servers.

One distinction is that AWS has major competitors you could switch to, but YouTube essentially has a monopoly on that kind of content distribution.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by gowld » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:42 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #46

bertil wrote: post #37

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I get how that gets some channel into trouble: politics, guns. Than channel was apparently a Iranian-American vegan animal rights activist. I’m not a vegan, but I don’t see the point in opposing them. Other than the banter about how in-your-face they can be, do people violently oppose vegans, or animal rights activists? She was upset over a workout video being age-gated: who would oppose that video?

There is something very ironic about a person that is supposedly so careful about animal rights that they will change their diet to relieve the pressure who at the same time has no problems in bringing a gun into the offices of a free service and shooting random strangers.

Because shooting employees of a paid service is better?

You seem to be confusing respect for animal life with pacifism. Fighting to defend the helpless is company with caring for the helpless. Soldiers kill people to defend their countrymen.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by matte_black » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:42 PM UTC

sodafountan wrote: post #110

matte_black wrote: post #41

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Require videos to be approved by a human before being available to the public.

I don't think there's enough man hours in the world to accomplish this believe it or not, do you know how many hours of videos per day get uploaded to youtube? edit: Just looked it up because I was curious, 300 hours of video get uploaded per minute to Youtube. That's 18,000 hours of content per hour meaning you'd have to hire that many people to work 24/7 365 days a year non stop just to view every piece of content…

Your youtube clone will be lucky to have that problem.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by ensignro2340 » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:42 PM UTC

majani wrote: post #191

jacquesm wrote: post #82

'De-Monetized' suggests that someone who produces a video has an automatic right to income. That's bonkers, it's already quite a service that Youtube allows you to upload your videos to reach an audience that you'd be hard pressed to serve from your own server. They do this for free. In the previous iteration of such platforms all the ad income would go to the owner of the website, not to the rights owners of the vid…

Sometimes I wonder if YouTube should cut their losses regarding this whole revenue sharing thing. It's so far caused so much grief and losses for them and it doesn't seem to be able to sustain high quality content like it was intended to. Perhaps they should just leave YouTube to go back to its roots where people were just video sharing for sharing's sake and perhaps focus the money on YouTube Red where they can just…

I wonder the same thing sometimes. I remember being happy when they lowered the bar to entry to the Partnership Program. Now I think that was a huge mistake and they should think of phasing it out completely. Too many people have misunderstood where the money comes from and whether or not they're employed by YouTube (they're not).

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by neuland » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:43 PM UTC

INTPenis wrote: post #103

Americans in the comment section are reacting about this woman being a disgruntled user, angry about perceived discrimination from Youtube, down on her luck, suicidal. Me, a european, I'm reacting to how easily she found a gun. I hate to bring up this very toxic debate, my comment will seem like fishing for trouble. Yet you have to understand our perspective. Not every lunatic where I live can find a gun when they ne…

I haven't seen any of the shooter's videos. But from what I've heard, most people were characterizing them as "weird" and not a rock-solid case that the is a danger to herself or others.

Given that, it sounds like very little would be able to prevent her from obtaining a firearm. She could likely walk right into a gun shop and pass a background check. As far as I know, she hasn't had a domestic violence conviction, involuntary commitment to a mental health facility, or anything else that would disqualify her from buying a gun legally.

Now, you may think that this is an issue in and of itself. But at least in the US, the right to bear arms is a natural right of the individual. It's protected by the constitution. And, there needs to be due process if you want to deny someone of their rights.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by fricat1ve » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:43 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #224

psyc wrote: post #180

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Calling the critics of YouTube's whims 'apologists for the shooter' even in the context of this thread is a dirty rhetorical trick. Nobody is saying the shooter was justified.

Youtube doesn't have 'whims', it's a company. If you have beef with a company you either take it to court or you take your lumps. You do not go and shoot at the company employees who are just like you dependent on that company for their income, the difference is that they have an employment contract with certain rights and you chose to go for the fame and the glory. There are people here who write that "It was only a…

>that's well into apologist territory

No, no it's not.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by tedunangst » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:43 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #224

psyc wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling the critics of YouTube's whims 'apologists for the shooter' even in the context of this thread is a dirty rhetorical trick. Nobody is saying the shooter was justified.

Youtube doesn't have 'whims', it's a company. If you have beef with a company you either take it to court or you take your lumps. You do not go and shoot at the company employees who are just like you dependent on that company for their income, the difference is that they have an employment contract with certain rights and you chose to go for the fame and the glory. There are people here who write that "It was only a…

> There are people here who write that "It was only a matter of time until one of those furious victims took up a gun to get revenge." and that's well into apologist territory.

Are they wrong? It's only a matter of time until lots of bad things happen. Still bad, still going to happen.