James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google • Hacker News Board

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by ihsw2 » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:18 PM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #160

john_moscow wrote: post #87

He doesn't have a choice really. With the PR mess he got himself into, no big company will ever hire him. Imagine the possible headlines "Microsoft hires the James Damore, the male supremacy advocate fired from Google". Nope, regardless the technical skill or his actual personality, his public image is forever ruined. So he realistically has a choice between becoming a paid speaker for fringe ultra-right organization…

No that just isn't how life does or should work. You make mistakes in an industry and you own the impacts to your reputation. He has done serious harm to the work of so many by his actions and absolutely deserves to own the consequences. And let's be serious here he has zero chance of winning against Google.

The social constructivism espoused by progressive supremacists is an affront to civilized society -- he has rightfully exposed the "work of so many" as fraudulent unscientific dogma akin to the gay-conversion therapy.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by DanAndersen » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:19 PM UTC

ogre_magi wrote: post #200

dmode wrote: post #176

Why would a "white male conservative" sue a corporation when the conservative platform believes that in a free market corporations should be allowed to discriminate as they please ? I have heard Ron Paul (ok, a libertarian) state numerous times how he doesn't support civil rights, because the public will stop visiting those businesses who engage in discriminatory behavior. Shouldn't James Damore just let the free mar…

Damore wouldn't describe himself as conservative I think.

And even if he did describe himself as such, the idea that all 'conservatives' are free-market absolutists is strange. The sort of free-market-first small-government-at-all-costs ideology has only in the past few decades become a fixture of US right-wing movements.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:19 PM UTC

john_moscow wrote: post #87

He doesn't have a choice really. With the PR mess he got himself into, no big company will ever hire him. Imagine the possible headlines "Microsoft hires the James Damore, the male supremacy advocate fired from Google". Nope, regardless the technical skill or his actual personality, his public image is forever ruined. So he realistically has a choice between becoming a paid speaker for fringe ultra-right organization…

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Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by frgtpsswrdlame » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:19 PM UTC

ThrustVectoring wrote: post #223

frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #202

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>Yeah, there is. "Women are worse" implies that there's a gendered difference after applying the "is an engineer" filter. ...No it doesn't. That's just something you're adding to preserve the distinction. >Like, male and female high jumpers that make it over a certain height of bar are approximately as good at jumping. There's more men in that category. This all might be playing semantics, but I think there's a real…

>Yes yes but the problem comes with Damore's reasoning for why there are more men in that category - biological determination of better programming ability. Whether or not the representation gap is biological is an important factual matter that should be discussed on the merits. It'd do women no good to try to get their best sprint times up to men's by fixing society to be more accepting of female sprinters. There ar…

You think sociological explanations for why women are under-represented in tech are made up?

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by wakamoleguy » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:20 PM UTC

dmode wrote: post #176

Why would a "white male conservative" sue a corporation when the conservative platform believes that in a free market corporations should be allowed to discriminate as they please ? I have heard Ron Paul (ok, a libertarian) state numerous times how he doesn't support civil rights, because the public will stop visiting those businesses who engage in discriminatory behavior. Shouldn't James Damore just let the free mar…

One possible reason is that a person can have beliefs that don't completely align with a given platform.

Another reason could be that it is easier to obtain emotional distance on a decision when you're not personally involved. Believing that something is best as an abstract policy doesn't always make it easy to believe it is best for you.

A third possibility is that he does believe that the market should decide, but that he also believes in taking full advantage of the system as it exists today.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by iamatworknow » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:20 PM UTC

vorotato wrote: post #130

jstanley wrote: post #110

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Good job he wasn't advocating discrimination then

He'll have to explain that to a jury, and I've read the memo that claim is not abundantly clear.

Google will settle this long before it goes to a jury.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by debt » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:20 PM UTC

bsaul wrote: post #190

thenayr wrote: post #140

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Or, you know, he could realize what a monumental fuck up he made and try and make a difference for the better. The dude literally let himself be paraded around by the alt-right and neo-nazi groups as a hero. -----------EDIT below--------------- Zero sympathy for this dirtbag. He's un-hireable because he deserves to be. Future advice for Damore wannabees When alt-right Twitter agrees with your world-views, you're doin…

Yes, that's the spirit. Let's burn the witch. Unless i missed something, the guy never advocated violence or gender discrimination, or making anyone's life miserable. He expressed opinion on scientific explanation. You may find it very stupid, but what in your mind makes you think it's OK to destroy a man's life for his opinion, and then i suppose pretend to be someone with high moral grounds.

It's never okay to destroy a man's life, but he made a poor choice to have his life destroyed.

I don't know why he did that. People do stupid things all the time.

Centuries of gender discrimination, in a field that is very publicly plagued by it, in a world that is still broken with it, what was Damore thinking?

Everyone has the freedom to act, but no one has freedom from the consequences of the act.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by MBCook » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:20 PM UTC

hkmurakami wrote: post #221

MBCook wrote: post #153

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But can he sustain that? Or is he something of a ‘flavor of the month’ that people will stop carrying about in a year or two? Is this just an attempt to extend his relevance a bit longer?

If his settlement is 7 figures, he can retire off of that.

Certainly. But it doesn’t seem like he has a case to me.

He’s basically trying to get a new protected class created to protect actions that clearly constituted creating a hostile work space based on long established precedent.

Whatever you think of him it seems like a REALLY big hurdle.

And that’s assuming no ‘mandatory binding arbitration’ issues from his work contract.

Even if he wins this could take a very long time (and trips up and down the levels of courts).

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:20 PM UTC

microcolonel wrote: post #181

thenayr wrote: post #140

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Or, you know, he could realize what a monumental fuck up he made and try and make a difference for the better. The dude literally let himself be paraded around by the alt-right and neo-nazi groups as a hero. -----------EDIT below--------------- Zero sympathy for this dirtbag. He's un-hireable because he deserves to be. Future advice for Damore wannabees When alt-right Twitter agrees with your world-views, you're doin…

> The dude literally let himself be paraded around by the alt-right and neo-nazi groups as a hero. Explain how this is James' fault. > When alt-right Twitter agrees with your world-views, you're doing something WRONG. Alt-right Twitter agrees that murder is wrong, the national debt is concerning, and that sexual assault is supremely immoral. What does that make you, if you define yourself by disagreement with them? I…

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Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:20 PM UTC

xeeeeeeeeeeenu wrote: post #147

carrja99 wrote: post #136

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> So he realistically has a choice between becoming a paid speaker for fringe ultra-right organizations Isn't that what he's been doing through his twitter account where he muses whether people join the KKK because they have cool titles? Or his interviews with people like Milo?

>Isn't that what he's been doing through his twitter account where he muses whether people join the KKK because they have cool titles? That was just a joke, stop pretending he is a neo-nazi.

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