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Re: Facebook’s Political Unit Enables Propaganda

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Post by ceejayoz »

makomk wrote: post #36

What continues to fascinate me about stories like this is just how nakedly, obviously partisan the post-Trump reporting on the evils of social media is. Compare this with, for example, the tone of all the stories about how the Obama campaign used social media to win the previous election...

Social media has dramatically wider penetration, Facebook's algorithms are vastly different, and the malicious actors have figured out what works well. It shouldn't be a shock that the coverage has changed as a result.

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Post by favorited »

Steeeve wrote: post #114
threeseed wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understand why people put Fox News and MSNBC on the same pedestal. Fox News is an an outreach of Trump's political apparatchik. MSNBC was never particularly close to Obama.

I wouldn't put them on a pedestal. And to think that MSNBC airs any kind of content that is non-partisan is a joke.

There are Republicans with shows on MSBBC. Nicolle Wallace has an hour each afternoon – she was Bush's comms director & and worked for McCain's presidential campaign. Joe Scarborough was a Republican member of congress, and he gets 3 hours of MSNBC air per day.

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Post by sctb »

JSONwebtoken wrote: post #191
jancsika wrote: post #81

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You're conflating two very different concepts. The mantra is not "journalists are Democrats, owners are Republicans." Cable news and entertainment fawned over Hilary, not Bernie.

Hillary is a democrat, Bernie Sanders is an extremist. So the mantra stands.

This kind of information-free comment is just trolling. You've been breaking the guidelines a lot, so we have to ask that you please go read them and stop.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Facebook’s Political Unit Enables Propaganda

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Post by DenisM »

objectivetruth wrote: post #166
philwelch wrote: post #55

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Most of these conditions look to be along the lines of, "if you're going to use military property or equipment to film your movie, you don't get to turn around and disparage the military", which has done nothing to stem the tide of Hollywood films explicitly designed to disparage the military.

Can you please give me a list of recent -- or ANY -- Hollywood films that are explicitly designed to disparage the military? That is a BOLD claim and I'd love to learn more.

Buffalo Soldiers

Re: Facebook’s Political Unit Enables Propaganda

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Post by soundwave106 »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #243
willyt wrote: post #237

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But no-one believed it. At the time there was a protest of well over 1M people in London against the war. Which is huge, between 1.5% and 3.3% of the entire population of Britain. My work actually gave us the day off to go to it.

Yes, basically that's what I said. That is, the USA MSM "under-reported" the lack of belief internationally. The American people were sold fiction and they gladly bought it.

Mmm, there was definitely enough reports in US media that reported on the criticism if you listened hard enough. Linkregister's account was what I remembered. The polling history shows a distinctive minority that opposed the war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_opinion_in_the_United_...).

I will buy the criticism that some media definitely did stick too obediently to the administration line, the question is how much did media influence opinion? Post-9/11 "feelings" were involved after all. From my viewpoint, Abu Ghraib and the "Mission Accomplished" statement that wasn't, among other things, were needed to change many people's minds.

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Post by exogen »

katastic wrote: post #228
exogen wrote: post #203

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I don't know what you think I said, but yes, sure, investigate all of them, that sounds great? What is your point exactly? Nobody ever said Russia is unique in this regard. That doesn't make it a waste of time to investigate the extremely current and ongoing Russian interference. It's literally affecting people's everyday lives at this very moment. Priorities are a thing.

My literal point was that China _is_ affecting our elections RIGHT NOW. So any discussion of election interference should include ALL nations that are doing it. NK and China both directly interfered in our 2016 election: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/north-korea-china-i... http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/11/09/china-just-won-the-u-s-e... Did you know that already? Or are you enacting the entire flaw I'm talk…

You are now being completely dishonest.

First article:

> Priebus did not cite any evidence to back up his apparent bombshell.

> The White House said in a statement to the Daily News that Priebus "was addressing hacking generally, not election manipulation."

> But none of the intelligence reports have officially said China or North Korea played a part in that, calling into question where Priebus got his information.

The second article does not even mention election interference or even swaying public opinion AT ALL, even slightly. Did you read past the headline? Because by "China Just Won The U.S. Election" the article describes that Trump's policies would be "a win" for China. Not that they got Trump elected.

You are deliberately muddying the waters in bad faith. I'm not that stupid. Goodbye.

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Post by kim_waxkoz »

objectivetruth wrote: post #164
philwelch wrote: post #58

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Parks and Rec ran for seven seasons, and its protagonist was a fictionalized Hillary Clinton. The West Wing ran for seven seasons and explicitly featured a Democratic Presidential administration.

A fictionalized Hillary Clinton? That's... quite a leap. You could easily argue Robin Wright plays a fictionalized Hillary Clinton on "House of Cards." Personally, I think that the free market that the conservatives love to salivate about is making this happen. It cracks me up to imagine Hollywood producers saying "Well, I COULD make more money by making a super-conservative show but I just NEED to get my liberal vie…

is that why Tim Allens conservative show was highly rated, yet still cancelled? you dont know your left foot from your right. i suggest you do more studies on modern propaganda before you enter the lion's den again, kiddo

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

objectivetruth wrote: post #167
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #6

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They do that all the time: Al Gore - 30 Rock Joe Biden/Michelle Obama - Parks and Rec Newt Gengrich - Murphy Brown Donna Brazil - Good Wife etc....

I hate to ruin your thesis, but: Parks and Rec also featured Newt Gingrich, Olympia Snow, and John McCain.

What thesis is that?

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Post by tomrod »

tomrod wrote: post #19
734786710934 wrote: post #12

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The writers for most prime-time sitcoms are Democrats. They do it for free.

[Citation Needed]

It is unfortunate that a request for a citation is downvoted but not responded to. Not only is the claim that every comedy writer is conservative not supported, it's not even true.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Long (example of conservative sitcom writer)

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Sandler (example of conservative movie actor/producer)

Now, I don't subscribe to conservative politics myself. But it is simply a moral wrong to assume an entire profession is united in political views. Nor is it a good thing to invoke such identity politics. Let's move forward and focus on the real issues at hand.

Re: Facebook’s Political Unit Enables Propaganda

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Post by abritinthebay »

simula67 wrote: post #226
abritinthebay wrote: post #93

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You're mistaking "Republicans are right now a steaming heap of awful" with "News and shows are left-leaning". I'm a huge fan of having a principled, Conservative, political group. They are there to help provide measured, sane, grounding and represent the status-quo in opposition to those who would change it. That's actually a good thing for Progressives - it helps test the ideas, to forge them into concrete and relia…

As far as I can understand, this is the wrong way to think about conservatism in the United States. Conservatives are not 'just interested in preserving the status quo'. They are interested in conserving liberty. This is because the nature of liberty is to yield, every time a law is passed it is a limitation on liberty. This is why Reagan said 'libertarianism is at the heart of conservatism' [1] If conservatives can…

The “conservatives” are the main ones eroding that liberty.

Trumps Administration right now, obviously, but the PATRIOT Act, the NSA wiretap program, the entire Regan administration... etc.

So yet, it IS the right way to think about conservatives in the US because that is what they do.

I submit that what you are talking about has zero to do with conservative vs progressive and a lot to do with authoritarianism. Unfortunately the worst offenders for that are US “conservatives” (but not the only offenders).

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