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Post by sctb »

PeachPlum wrote: post #55
bufferoverflow wrote: post #12

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The real problem with these rules is subjectivity. Something you would consider offensive is probably not from my perspective. In the end it will be a moderator bias galore. I can easily see a Christian mod demonetizing atheist videos, democrat republican, prude free, etc etc etc. I'd like to see a true free speech platform with violence/nudity sectioned off according to the local laws, and then let the advertisers d…

With Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn on the team, what could go wrong?

We've already asked you twice to stop trolling, so we've banned this account. We're happy to unban accounts if you email us at hn@ycombinator.com and we believe you'll start following the guidelines.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by musage »

blurbleblurble wrote: post #187
musage wrote: post #66

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Where would this fit in? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R5w-PIzlUk It's a clip-art style "coloring video" drawing a baby with a lot of syringes, which then each empty their colored liquid into the baby. Technically, perfectly innocent. In context of a positive flood of videos with an undertone ranging from brain damaging to abusive targeted at little kids it doesn't seem that innocent to me. The sum isn't larger th…

Okay so I've watched quite a few of those particular videos now to make sense of them... And I've come to the conclusion that the reaction to the syringes is cultural misunderstanding. My hunch is that the purpose of the syringes is to get children comfortable with the vaccination process. There are number of other videos where the syringes are being demonstrated on animals to make the animals feel better after getti…

I found that channel by following chains of featured channels from hardcore ElsaGate channels. You'll also find such coloring videos on channels that have blatantly messed up content, too.

> it seems like US Americans are projecting their particular sensibilities onto videos made by some people in an entirely different part of the world

What part of the world would that be? Just saying "oh, there's probably a culture that has these different sensibilities" is heard a lot around ElsaGate, without ever actually referencing a specific culture. And what is an "entirely different" part of the world? Made of antimatter?

> It's important that we don't just lump everything that makes us uncomfortable into the same category.

None of this makes me feel "uncomfortable" though, and I'm not American either, so don't lump my reaction and your reaction together as "our" reaction. Also, just because the fringe is not the center, doesn't mean they're not connected: don't lump noticing the connection together with lumping things together.

"Disturbing" or "weird" or "uncomfortable" or "nice" or "awesome" and so on are not very descriptive words. A cold breeze might make me feel uncomfortable, so might a video of a puppy getting hurt, but that doesn't describe these things. It's making it about the people calling it out, and I for one am not buying.

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Post by strangecasts »

notyourday wrote: post #159
strangecasts wrote: post #150

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Not "may" but will - it's very easy to render your network essentially unauditable (you don't have thousands of petabytes' worth of storage available? you can't fab your own ML coprocessor? too bad!) You bring up Trump's Twitter suspension in the other subthread, but in that case the failure was transient, and the person responsible and their reasoning were quickly identified; YouTube has demonetized videos with litt…

> Not "may" but will - it's very easy to render your network essentially unauditable (you don't have thousands of petabytes' worth of storage available? you can't fab your own ML coprocessor? too bad!) Google can. So that does not apply. > You bring up Trump's Twitter suspension in the other subthread, but in that case the failure was transient, and the person responsible and their reasoning were quickly identified;…

Google can. So that does not apply.

If nobody outside Google can test the algorithm, by definition it isn't auditable.

Adding arbitrary human behavior to those decisions only makes it worse.

Neural networks are derived from human behavior - they don't magically divine the spirit of what you want to do, they're an approximation based on training data someone has to put together.

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Post by musage »

Goronmon wrote: post #157
deadbunny wrote: post #151

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Your entire argument is "won't somebody think of the children".

You do realize that sometimes it's actually acceptable to be concerned for the well-being of children?

Not even once. Not even in the context of something called "Youtube for Kids". Pearl-clutching consideration for others: not okay. Pearl-clutching shock over people having consideration for others: totally on.

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Post by ankushnarula »

rpenm wrote: post #242
ankushnarula wrote: post #139

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> Advocating murder of group X -> ban (even if you're quoting a religious text). An alarming number of social justice advocates have been equating words with violence. Canadian Bill C-16 (now law) is particularly troubling because under the Ontario Human Rights Code it makes debate over gender neutral pronouns a punishable offense. It seems to me that the folks at YouTube are, necessarily, responding with the most "c…

C-16 just adds gender identity to the list of identities you're already not permitted to discriminate or advocate violence against (race, color, ethnicity, religion, age, sex, disability). It does not prohibit debate over pronouns. Go read it: http://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/C-16/royal-as...

That's true - but the Canadian Dept of Justice indicated (and then removed the link from their website) that they would enforce it in accordance with the Ontario Human Rights Code. Go read it: http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/code_grounds/gender_identity

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Post by mromanuk »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #171
mromanuk wrote: post #130

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I concur, youtube is filled with trash, at least for the youngest audience (2-5 years)

If you let your 2-5 year olds watch Youtube videos, then you're the problem, not Youtube. I really mean that seriously, this is just irresponsible.

I agree with you, that is responsibility of the parents. Anyway, that doesn't change the fact that youtube has trash content targeted to small kids
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