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Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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Both. I don't think anyone (reasonable) should be concerned and I think most people, developer or not, are not concerned. This is just yet another example of this vocal minority on HN that regularly talks shit about every Google hardware product, where the argument against this specific product actually comes down to a larger argument against Google and how much access and gatekeeping they have with regards to your c…

I don't think you fully understand the risk model the "vocal minority" is talking about. It's not so much that Google might know about our searches for horse porn, it's that we could lose access to our entire digital life at the whim of an algorithm or a politically motivated employee . As others have pointed out, Google has capriciously cut off account access to numerous people. When they do that, you lose your emai…

> This is to say nothing of the documents, spreadsheets, photos, PURCHASED movies and music associated with that account.

It would seriously surprise me to learn that this exact scenario does not apply to iTunes with iCloud and Microsoft with live.com accounts, azure, onedrive, and whatever xbox music store they have now. What sets Google apart here? I'd argue that the only thing that sets them apart is that they give users more opportunities to expose themselves to ToS violations via the fact that they own YouTube and other popular content sharing platforms (eg: gdrive), and also that many more people have Google accounts than have iCloud or Microsoft accounts.

> Bear in mind the Jordan Peterson case, on which Google has yet to answer, is only one we know about due to its high profile nature. How many other users without access to the ears of the media get rolled over in similar manner?

He's a YouTuber with nearly half a million subscribers and a ton of videos. The reason his account was likely flagged in the first place was due to his high profile nature, probably some kind of conflict with copyrighted content and/or adsense. I don't think Jordan Peterson's account lock should be taken as evidence that this is randomly happening to a lot of other ordinary Google users.

(... and why is he uploading on YouTube with a personal Google account in the first place?)

> The probability is low, sure, but the impact is very high. Evaluating risk is not just about likelihood, but also impact.

I don't think that's right. The probability is low, and the impact is only as much as you allow it to be. I don't understand why it's all or nothing. You don't trust yourself to have a Google account and not overexpose yourself?

> The obvious objection, that one should use G Suite from a domain name they control, and do hour-by-hour snapshot backups of every document and photo they host with Google, is a fair one, but it puts the user in a position in which the very value Google services offers -- convenience -- is no longer there. So what's the point?

It doesn't have to be that dramatic, you download the really important stuff off of Google and save it on a USB stick or something. They make it absurdly easy to download all of your data with their exporter tool.

Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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outlook.com is excellent. I used the free version for years, now I have bought premium.

Their spam filter has been horrible lately. I've been on outlook.com ever since it was rebranded away from hotmail, and it was OK until recently. But the spam has gotten so horrible in the last few months, I'm trying to decide what to use next (given that I don't live in china anymore, I have choices). It is also missing a lot of features compared to gmail, while the web UI is a bit clunky. These aren't real breakers…

Strange, my spam filter is fine. Premium is just no ads + some extra space. I pay premium because I want microsoft to keep providing this excellent service without compromising my personal data

Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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If believe if you run GalliumOS vs Crouton it doesnt do that.

This may have changed, but when I used GalliumOS a year ago I still dealt with the white screen

What version? Ive been using 2.1 it for about a year on my Acer C910 (i5) and has been flawless. It maxes at 4GB of ram which is the only bummer, but that makes the pixelbook appealing.

Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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I think a major issue is what happens if Google locks your account for some reason. There have been instances in the past where Google has locked the account of a user for some TOS violations. http://m.gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/google-pixel-reseller... http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/1/jordan-b-peters... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-21/one-statistics-prof... Given that Google has a propensity…

The laptop wouldn't become inaccessible, the account would. You could log in with a different account.

But all of your data would be inaccessible, as it's associated with the (banned) account...

Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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I uploaded full seasons of a very old 90s cartoon and my account is disabled. I cannot even purchase YouTube TV to try it out. Of course, reaching out to support is moot - their RoboSupport sucks. I will never purchase a Google product if I can help it and will steer clear of them in any team setting where I can affect the decision.

Um, you realise you uploaded a bunch of (presumedly) copyrighted material to a public video sharing site? That would normally raise a bunch of red flags. If you're stuck, there are dedicated support channels to actually talk to people - or feel free to reach out to me (my non-work email is in my profile.)

Uhm, you realize they created a completely open bucket for public to upload videos into and then put all the onus on the uploaders regardless? And they are one of the richest companies on the planet, and they just shit on the users, but allow freaking child porn and other disgusting content and then also delete anything politically relevant if it invades a safe space....

Yeah - screw youtube and google. The onus is on their resources vs the individual.

Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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I hate this trend of dumbing down product specifications. I don't know who started it (probably Apple?), but everyone does it now. Like what fucking i5 or i7 processor ? Is the storage soldered even for the nvme option ? It doesn't help that Intel keeps playing tricks with their naming either. i7 used to be quad core, then it became dual core for thin laptops. Now they are back to low freq quad core in some SKUs. For…

I think the reason why things like this piss people like us off is because this product isn't targeted at us. "Normal" people don't care what is in a device as long as they can justify the cost with the perceived value they see in the device. For them the sticker saying "i7" on the laptop makes it a "top-of-the-line" laptop and justifies the cost as they expect to pay more for "top-of-the-line".

Yes, but that's the definition of "false and deceptive advertisement", isn't it?

I'd wish for someone to sue a giant corp. so that a law can stop other mega corporations from doing deceptive advertisements. Just like factualized "health-benefits" on supplements were prohibited unless proven right via 'a study (?)' as a gateway.

$999 for a much underpowered Sony Vaio like Subnotebook is too much! You also BUY the strongest VENDOR-LOCKIN made into a product ever, the "Google-Ecosystem". Allow installation of any OS, then we're good, but until then, don't say it's a notebook or laptop. It is not!

As a sidenote, using "false" as a strawman as in "fake-news", thus allowing government to "silence false voices" should be stopped. Censorship, illegalization, demonization are the enforcment of rules made for a minority onto the majority and we know why this is bad for a healthy 'governence of a country'.

Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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I uploaded full seasons of a very old 90s cartoon and my account is disabled. I cannot even purchase YouTube TV to try it out. Of course, reaching out to support is moot - their RoboSupport sucks. I will never purchase a Google product if I can help it and will steer clear of them in any team setting where I can affect the decision.

Um, you realise you uploaded a bunch of (presumedly) copyrighted material to a public video sharing site? That would normally raise a bunch of red flags. If you're stuck, there are dedicated support channels to actually talk to people - or feel free to reach out to me (my non-work email is in my profile.)

Maybe he just uploaded it unlisted, for personal consumption? That’s completely legal.

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Is downloading movies illegal?

Sharing copyrighted content is

Not just sharing - even loading a program to RAM to run it is considered a copy and needs a license, as per MAI v. Peak.

Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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> I uploaded full seasons of a very old 90s cartoon and my account is disabled. I cannot even purchase YouTube TV to try it out. You violated the law and their (rather reasonable in this case) terms of service and are shocked to find they'd rather not do business with you?

Draconian punishment without warning and without recourse in response to a single misstep would indeed be very surprising. If that is what actually happened then it invites regulatory action considering Google's unparalleled market share and reach.

It happens frequently from Google.

You bought a Pixel phone, and Google thinks you might be a reseller? Then your account will be terminated, too.

And yes, there should be massive regulatory action, Google is doing so much stuff that should be fixed, it’s impossible to even list it all.

Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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By using chromebook, you are almost giving away your entire digital life. Such data will be abused by Google to sell ads, as it has happened many times before. What a horrible piece of privacy abusing junk this Chromebook is.

A lot of these will be used by businesses on paid GSuite accounts where the monetization of user data doesn't happen: https://gsuite.google.com/security/ I think $5/mo per person in exchange for some degree of privacy and being the customer instead of the product is a reasonable deal. $10 for unlimited storage. In addition that price gets you 24/7 live support from a real person. I'm not suggesting this answers the g…

> A lot of these will be used by businesses on paid GSuite accounts where the monetization of user data doesn't happen:

YET.

GMail also launched without ads and datamining.

Google retroactively added it, without opt-in, and mined all your data later anyway.

If Google can physically access something, you have to assume they will data mine and publish it at some point.

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