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Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by kuschku »

dasil003 wrote: post #209
corndoge wrote: post #156

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You need to do this on slack unless you pay for it. Comparatively IRC is free and it's actually easier to make a logging IRC bot than it is to make one on slack.

The time it would take me to research a logging bot, set up a server, add monitoring to make sure it stays up would cost more of my time than purchasing Slack for several years for my small team. I don't see how you claim it can be easier than Slack since Slack by definition has everything stored already, you just have to pay for it.

Quassel (a bouncer/client combination) has that included.

A one-click setup powers my IRC clients with multiple devices and logs even when I’m not online, powers a fulltext search ( https://gluu.kuschku.de/dl/videos/2016-09-16_04-03-36.mp4 ), powers a fully public logger https://gluu.kuschku.de/logs/ and much more.

All this exists, is free, and just works.

And there’s many more such systems that provide this functionality. From IRCCloud to many web clients.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by CaptSpify »

altotrees wrote: post #130

So we have all of these chat apps. Choice is never a bad thing, but this has to be somewhat beyond saturation point, no? I don't know about anyone else, but I would rather have my work chat apps resemble social media chat apps less rather than more. Fewer Gif's, fewer emojis — they can be funny and endearing in the right context, but just feel forced and obtuse in a work setting. Also, this is coming from the makers…

FWIW, I use finch (https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using%20Finch) as my client and it's great.

No emojis, no gifs, etc. is awesome. It gets the job done, and gets out of your way. It's not trying to focus your attention on chatting instead of doing your job.

I still really don't like having chat go to an external party, but if I have to, it makes it easier to use.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by erikb »

Retric wrote: post #101
erikb wrote: post #48

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A common discussion I have with other developers. For a developer I'd say I'm a little more people minded than average, and a lot more big picture success oriented. And in both regards your personal productivity doesn't really matter. The biggest problem in software development is actually not per-coder-performance but that the right things get solved, and that the solution are actually good and quickly finished. Thi…

That's still small picture thinking. Dropping efficiency by 50% is the equivalent of spending 4+ hours in a meeting every day. If your team needs that kind of overhead then something massive is broken and a chat room is not going to fix it. As a general rule, on large teams informal communication is vastly less efficient than formal communication. A major goal should be avoiding having the same conversation repeatedl…

You need to consider that a coder most oftne self evaluates performance as time spent writing code. If he spends 50% of his time planing, learning, comunicating, and 50% coding he will consider it a 50% performance drop.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by kuschku »

Karunamon wrote: post #177
moolcool wrote: post #40

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I wish people used IRC instead of all of these proprietary tools. I don't love the Slack client, xchat is much better.

I wish the IRC meme would die in the enterprise world. It's an evolutionary dead end that ignores the last 20 years or so of improvements and expectations for a messaging system. * Service packages are poor replacements for fine-grained permission controls and registration. * Always-connected clients are poor replacements for message history and push notifications. * DCC is a a poor replacement for video chat, screen…

> * /whois and /away are poor replacements for user status tracking.

That’s why IRC has away-notify, which does exactly what slack and co do for status tracking.

> * DCC is a a poor replacement for video chat, screen sharing, or file sharing.

That’s why people are working on an RFC for WebRTC negotiated via IRC.

> * Always-connected clients are poor replacements for message history and push notifications.

That’s why message history and push notification RFCs are being worked on, and already implemented in some IRCds (Snoonet transmits the last 5 minutes before login marked as such, for example, others transmit everything you request)

> * Service packages are poor replacements for fine-grained permission controls and registration.

That’s something that I hate, too, but some modern IRCds have far better permissions systems nowadays. Oh, and registration and login happens via a standardized SASL anyway, so you can also auth via OAUTH if you have to.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by Drdrdrq »

mgkimsal wrote: post #206
new299 wrote: post #174

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What are good options for replacing Confluence? I looked at available open source wiki's maybe 1 or 2 years ago and there seems to be nothing that was as easy to use for non-technical people (which would include having WYSIWYG style editing). Are there any good options now?

A wiki that allows referencing to a ticketing system - the way you can tie confluence docs to jira - is, imo, one of the unique tie-ins I've not seen replicated in any other system. Check list of items in confluence? Click and ... bam - tickets where you can track discussion, media, code, etc. Link back to the definition doc, and the doc has a status view of the ticket(s). I've wondered if they've got some patent on…

Afaik in GitLab Wiki you can mention issues to link to them (same as in merge requests and elsewhere). Is that what you had in mind or is the integration in Confluence deeper?

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by erikb »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #118
erikb wrote: post #48

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A common discussion I have with other developers. For a developer I'd say I'm a little more people minded than average, and a lot more big picture success oriented. And in both regards your personal productivity doesn't really matter. The biggest problem in software development is actually not per-coder-performance but that the right things get solved, and that the solution are actually good and quickly finished. Thi…

You are correct but so often we are measured on individual productivity. And you get what you measure. So team members will want to work distraction-free to max their KPIs. Your insights good, it needs to be needed by managers and staff that the team is working as a team.

I haven't experienced that at all. Okay, yes. When you ask your boss what he measures you about, he'll give you performance data. Tasks closed, commits sent, LOCs produced, etc. But what he really measures are top features you produced. And that happens rarely. I think for a really talented guy it's 0.5-1 top success per year. And these don't need to be measured, they are team memory.

Ask your team who is most talented in their eyes. They'll agree on a small number of names. And if you ask them why they believe it, it's something like "because he wrote our test automation" or "he's the guy you ask about that really nasty part of ancient code". Everything else is only for self-fulfillment of the developers.

E.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyVksFviJVE

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by taude »

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

I actually have a computer that's just my "work" machine. By work, I only have the tools on it for my deep, focused worth, whether it's writing, or coding, experimenting, etc... All my messaging is on a different machine. (This setup isn't for everyone.)

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by erikb »

sidlls wrote: post #202
quickthrower2 wrote: post #118

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You are correct but so often we are measured on individual productivity. And you get what you measure. So team members will want to work distraction-free to max their KPIs. Your insights good, it needs to be needed by managers and staff that the team is working as a team.

I make sure that the people manager of the junior engineers I mentor know that my view of the productivity they are evaluated on is that it's related to the quality of their engineering, not output quantity, or even output per se. A significant part of engineering is bringing clarity to a problem, usually by engaging in a proper process of requirements analysis and design. Time spent slapping code into an editor ough…

And that's what people think (me too, no exception here) two years after they come out of university.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by taude »

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

Don't forget about Mattermost. I work in fin-tech and we've been evaluating Mattermost because of on-Prem.
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