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Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by loceng »

JosephLark wrote: post #45

Personally, I would love to see something like Lobsters [0] made general purpose. It's very HN like, but I love the ability to tags posts with multiple tags so that a single topic of conversation can belong to multiple subreddit-like communities. I've always wished that HN would co-opt that tagging. It seems like the best of both worlds (general front page and targeted communities) and naturally aides discoverability…

I'm in love with Lobste.rs now that I've read their about - https://lobste.rs/about

Anyone browsing comments that could invite me?

Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by int_19h »

hsod wrote: post #243
int_19h wrote: post #164

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The problem with this paradox is that it's applied to situations that are actually different from what's describe here. Suppose even we have this group that's intolerant of everyone else. But their intolerance is expressed in speech, not actions. In other words, they're saying, "you're all our enemies, and should be destroyed", but they aren't doing anything about it. Or maybe they are, but it consists of running a p…

> Or maybe they are, but it consists of running a political party on that platform, encouraging people to vote them in. > As a society, you can absolutely tolerate them without the use of force, at least until the point where they actually get the majority of votes (but at that point, they are the society, and you're an outgroup in that society). You just answered your own question

Did I? You seem to be assuming a causal link between suppressing their speech, and them being able to get the majority of votes. I don't see any evidence to this effect - I mean, even just comparing the size of neo-Nazi rallies in Germany (strong hate speech laws) versus US (no hate speech laws), if anything, one would come to the conclusion that the best way to not allow Nazis to come to power through democratic means is to let them freely express their opinions. When you don't, you get the same people running on "anti-immigration" platform and use other dog whistles, which only broadens their base of support.

My opinion is that if there's a real threat of extreme political forces coming to power through democratic means in your society, then that society is already broken, and restricting hate speech is basically just sweeping the shards under the rug and pretending that nothing's wrong.

Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by int_19h »

mszcz wrote: post #177
int_19h wrote: post #164

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The problem with this paradox is that it's applied to situations that are actually different from what's describe here. Suppose even we have this group that's intolerant of everyone else. But their intolerance is expressed in speech, not actions. In other words, they're saying, "you're all our enemies, and should be destroyed", but they aren't doing anything about it. Or maybe they are, but it consists of running a p…

I have a feeling that that kind of speech, given enough time and tolerance, eventually might escalate to action.

Hate speech is a symptom of a problem, not a cause. Trying to treat a disease by suppressing symptoms is a waste of time at best, and actively harmful at first (because it conceals the progression of that disease, until one day you're violently sick).

Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by [deleted] »

mwerd wrote: post #226
nthcolumn wrote: post #202

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Reddit is a business. I don't support businesses that facilitate child rape forums. You do. That's how we are different. Other businesses should not suffer for what Reddit does so I use the internet, on usenet other providers likewise, on reddit you all share the blame because you support the same business. I can't tell myself I'm only using this tiny part and those nasty people aren't anything to do with me because…

Absolutely absurd argument. Do you use toll roads? They're a business. Criminals and even "child rapists" use them too. Can't believe you would further their ability to move about our society and evade law enforcement by willfully funding the infrastructure they use. Get over yourself with your absolutist nonsense.

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Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by AimHere »

tray5 wrote: post #41
eyko wrote: post #40

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The left/right dichotomy doesn't work with anarchism since it doesn't necessarily have to be on either side of that spectrum - generally based on ideas about economy and not social structures or hierarchies. It can display features usually attributed to left wing ideologies (fight for equality, emancipation, fair society, freedom of speech, freedom of (and from) religion, self organisation, bottom-up communities, etc…

Your free market part is where you'll find the clash. Any anarchist would say that a free market is inherently oppressive. The only place a "free" market would work is in a mutualist economy, and even then, that requires worker ownership over the means of production.

The sticking point is not so much free market - mutualists are considered anarchists by other anarchists - but other, major, aspects of capitalism, mainly private ownership of the means of production and the use of waged labour, where owners hire others to work on or with their property - those are outright incompatible with anarchism, outwith the anarchocapitalists whose 'anarcho' credentials are disputed.

Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by AimHere »

B1FF_PSUVM wrote: post #149
cubano wrote: post #137

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Just go right to the source material and read Marx..to hell with all his imitators and wannabes.

Marx had big beefs with Proudhon and Kropotkin - they were not imitators or wannabes - exactly because he was willing to prescribe a dictatorship and they were not.

Not to mention that Proudhon predated Marx, so if there is an imitation (and there isn't), it goes the other way.

Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by creatonez »

monokrome wrote: post #72

I wonder if these people are aware that they didn't need to write a Reddit clone? Why would you write a Reddit clone in PHP when Reddit itself is a perfectly fine open source Python project? Is their license not permissive enough? https://github.com/reddit/reddit

Reddit is not released under a free software license.

Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by mwerd »

SimbaOnSteroids wrote: post #246
mwerd wrote: post #226

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Absolutely absurd argument. Do you use toll roads? They're a business. Criminals and even "child rapists" use them too. Can't believe you would further their ability to move about our society and evade law enforcement by willfully funding the infrastructure they use. Get over yourself with your absolutist nonsense.

Would you tolerate the NYT or other large pre internet print medium publishing opinion pieces in favor of pedophilia? I don't think I would. The argument then becomes why should we tolerate such behavior post internet.

Yes, if it was noteworthy or somehow remarkable and written to the standard of the NYT, I would. There was a fantastic piece that toed this line on This American Life not too long ago (https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/522/...). I'm generally in favor of people having a medium to say things I disagree with and even find distasteful. That's what I think of when I hear "free speech". It's a core American value.

I would also "tolerate" the opinion piece, in any medium, that argued against it. I think it's very easy to make a good argument against pedophilia so I'm not at all worried about some random NYT op-ed piece suddenly turning the societal norm. Just like I'm not too worried about someone writing an op-ed that argues for slavery again. Once 'we' thought these things were ~ok, now we know they're not, and we have a long list of very good reasons for that that are nearly impossible to overcome.

I don't understand the fear of ideas that censorship advocates have. What's so scary about someone being wrong and having an opportunity to learn as much? If you stifle every conversation on topics we as a society have long since covered, these ideas will grow and fester in the dark (say, on StormFront or whatever). It's OK to let them in the light every now and then so that we have an opportunity to educate those who might not have learned the lesson.

Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by mwerd »

imaginenore wrote: post #250
mwerd wrote: post #226

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Absolutely absurd argument. Do you use toll roads? They're a business. Criminals and even "child rapists" use them too. Can't believe you would further their ability to move about our society and evade law enforcement by willfully funding the infrastructure they use. Get over yourself with your absolutist nonsense.

Your argument is more absurd. Toll roads don't have a mechanism to identify and stop the rapists.

Automatic license plate readers + warrant database + notify law enforcement that their fugitive is traveling x direction at y time.

Not so absurd as this already happens to some degree http://prospect.org/article/license-plate-tracking-increases...

Anyway, your point is moot as reddit complies with all applicable child pornography laws just like any other US based internet business AFAIK.

Not really sure what we're talking about here anymore. I'm trying to point out the absurdity of this dystopian future state where a bunch of vigilantes get to decide who is able to participate in society and use its infrastructure.

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