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Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by djsumdog »

krrrh wrote: post #144
sailingparrot wrote: post #3

Or that just means that we still call the device in our pocket a "phone" for legacy reasons. If we are okay with having a third party handles our messages, VoIP etc, why not the phone app?

I mostly use data-only SIMs on my phone and make/receive the very few calls I need to via VOIP, which is almost certainly the near future. For instance in Myanmar, where they have only had widespread mobile phone service for a couple of years, the most popular phone plans from Oodooroo are sold as data-only, and include info for downloading a VOIP app for legacy calls. I had an amusing time in one of their stores wat…

So.. even data-only sims have an actual phone number right? That's baked into the GSM/HSDPA protocols right? (IIRC only WiMAX and LTE allow IP only without a number). So even those data-only plans must still have a number, that either never connects or cost something insane like 100MB worth per-min?

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Post by djsumdog »

dheera wrote: post #179
sailingparrot wrote: post #3

Or that just means that we still call the device in our pocket a "phone" for legacy reasons. If we are okay with having a third party handles our messages, VoIP etc, why not the phone app?

I've mostly deprecated phone numbers as a way of reaching me for the following reasons: - Representing a person by a country-specific number is a horrible UX. All of my contact methods besides phone number remain the same no matter where I am in the world. Several of my contact methods (Facebook, LinkedIn) enable directly "dialing" my real name and intelligently locating me by social proximity instead of asking the c…

> Representing a person by a country-specific number is a horrible UX

Phone numbers (and physical addresses) are examples of semi and fully federated systems. You use the standard and establish contracts and your teleco or post office and connect to anyone else in the world.

Your Google Hangouts/Skype/Facebook are closed, walled garden, proprietary systems.

Keep that in mind.

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Post by fulafel »

krrrh wrote: post #144
sailingparrot wrote: post #3

Or that just means that we still call the device in our pocket a "phone" for legacy reasons. If we are okay with having a third party handles our messages, VoIP etc, why not the phone app?

I mostly use data-only SIMs on my phone and make/receive the very few calls I need to via VOIP, which is almost certainly the near future. For instance in Myanmar, where they have only had widespread mobile phone service for a couple of years, the most popular phone plans from Oodooroo are sold as data-only, and include info for downloading a VOIP app for legacy calls. I had an amusing time in one of their stores wat…

LTE phones pass your voice calls over VoIP behind the scenes, it's just hidden from the user. They call it VoLTE.

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Post by djsumdog »

Phrodo_00 wrote: post #211
tomc1985 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is dialing a phone a "Google Service"?

The AOSP dialer is not a Google Service, it comes with android. Google phones have use a different launcher (Which might be a modified version of the AOSP launcher, haven't used AOSP in a while) that provides unknown number names, access to the voicemail-to-text feature of Project Fi (and probably Google Voice), and probably a couple more things. BTW, from the little I know, seeing google contacts in the dialer doesn…

..but the point is the manufacture didn't provide the AOSP dialer. They added a 3rd party dialer that you have to root the phone to disable and you need to install a non-privacy invasive dialer either by finding an apk for the AOSP version, using F-droid or using Google Play/AmazonApp services.

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Post by lacampbell »

ghaff wrote: post #165
tomjen3 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was about to comment, it is very annoying to write on a tablet for any kind of school length work. I would hate to write an essay on a tablet. Then I realized I have installed Dragon on this computer, and there wasn't even a reason for me to type this reply. So I will risk a guess and assume that in the future essays will be spoken, not written. No doubt there will be an epic fight over this, as people try to defen…

You're assuming writing is a highly linear process, which has pretty much never been the case. When dictating memos was a thing, even that took practice. Anything more complex has always involved huge amounts of cutting and pasting--whether literally or digitally. Given good enough voice recognition and good enough touch interfaces that work in concert (and ignoring the many situations where speaking is an issue), it…

Great, so in the future we're going to have to listen to people writing their pretentious novels in cafes. With any luck, I'll be deaf by then.

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Post by djsumdog »

mverwijs wrote: post #212
tomc1985 wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you're dialing a phone. Nowhere does that require Google's involvement. The search feature should not be any more than an optional point of integration. Is nothing sacred anymore?

Unfortunatly, that is not the case. Running cyanogenmod here, stock dialer. Open up the dialer. Go to settings. Oh, look: "phone number lookup". I wonder what that could be. Hmmm. Click. What is that? "Forward lookup - Show nearby places when searching in the dialer". Ticked on by default. "People lookup"? On by default. Reverse lookup? On by default. Default lookup provider? Google. By default, it looms like the sta…

I hate how when you add a Google account, it auotmagically autosyncs. I have to disable sync for Calendar/Contacts/Everything, install Contact Delete, remove all my contacts, then install DavDroid off F-Droid and connect to my Radicale server.

This keeps some of my information away from Google. No normal person will go through this process.

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Post by 10165 »

Is it true that carriers are increasingly switching to calling over WiFi? I understand the new iPhones have this feature, with switchover happening automatically.

Did the popularity of Facetime, WhatsApp, etc. have anything to do with this? I have seen claims from carriers that WiFi calling "improves coverage".

At some stage, will anyone question what is the point of the cellular network? Especially in urban areas.

What is the difference between

a. a "smartphone" and

b. a portable, pocket-sized computer with rechargeable battery where the user chooses what to install and can remove any pre-installed software, where user gets a choice of 1. using pre-installed software and default settings or 2. using her own bootloader, kernel and userland, and where the user can easily open the case and tinker.

Does a computer need to have any association with the company selling internet access? Today's "phones" are manufactured for carriers (who are often ISP's, too), not for users. The carriers in turn sell these customized "phones" to users.

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Post by voltagex_ »

10165 wrote: post #257

Is it true that carriers are increasingly switching to calling over WiFi? I understand the new iPhones have this feature, with switchover happening automatically. Did the popularity of Facetime, WhatsApp, etc. have anything to do with this? I have seen claims from carriers that WiFi calling "improves coverage". At some stage, will anyone question what is the point of the cellular network? Especially in urban areas. W…

There's a few things at play here:

* https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT203032 WiFi Calling, which is (AFAIK) prioritised VoIP. Helps offload some calls from the provider's network which may help in congested areas

* https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT203124 VoLTE. Voice over LTE, rather than GSM (?) channels. Highly prioritised VoIP over LTE data. Should improve call quality via better voice codecs. Seems to simplify tower equipment for the telcos - Telstra in Australia has some "4G Only" towers in a few places where "standard" voice calling is unavailable. VoLTE isn't particularly widely available here.

Really happy to be corrected here - this is interesting stuff.

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Post by gjjrfcbugxbhf »

whatshisface wrote: post #151
tomjen3 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was about to comment, it is very annoying to write on a tablet for any kind of school length work. I would hate to write an essay on a tablet. Then I realized I have installed Dragon on this computer, and there wasn't even a reason for me to type this reply. So I will risk a guess and assume that in the future essays will be spoken, not written. No doubt there will be an epic fight over this, as people try to defen…

Hello, computer. Integer main open parenthesis void close parenthesis open squigly brace. Newline. Bob, find some earphones and stop complaining. I'm​ not the one that pushed for open-plan. Computer, please delete the previous paragraph. Standard colon colon cee out less than less than double quote capital hello world exclamation point double quote semi-colon. Newline. Close squigly brace.

A good voice ide would handle the boilerplate

Hello computer

new function returning void print hello world end function

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Post by Buttons840 »

gumby wrote: post #242
wutbrodo wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always found it weird how everyone I know seems much more cautious about phone usage than me: for example, I've never understood why people don't answer numbers they don't recognize. I'm slowly realizing that this is because apparently people are inundated with spam calls? I think I may have received one solitary spam call in my entire life. I can't really account for the discrepancy

> I've always found it weird how everyone I know seems much more cautious about phone usage than me I wouldn't say I'm cautious, it's simply that if it were important, why would you call? I basically consider phone calls as unimportant as paper letters. Check in on them every few weeks.

What would you expect me to do if it were important?

It seems to me I can either call, which most likely causes a loud and persistent ringing noise that signals "someone wants to talk to you right now, please pick up the phone". Or I can send you a text which will make a quick beep on your phone and then go away.

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