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Why Germany Educates International Students for Free

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English is the lingua franca in IT, worldwide. Everyone in IT knows it, to some extent. And even general population get English as second or third language. English teaching is generalized at developed countries, while German it is not. P.S. My English is also "bad", being a Spaniard myself, but enough for working in English in IT (not for writing novels, obviously).

> English is the lingua franca in IT, worldwide. Everyone in IT knows it, to some extent. At an internship at a German-French software company there also was a French programming department (alongside the German one, where I interned). I can assure you: They hardly knew English, at best it was a mixture between French and English, where to understand the English (in the source code) you often had to translate it back…

Sure, that's precisely what I'm warning about: if you need to adapt to the international market you can not wait 2 or 3 years for someone to adapt to a local "circumstance". Not taking advance that in all EU countries English is at least in primary and secondary education, it is a mistake, in my opinion. More pragmatism in IT through the EU would increase the capability for reaching regional full potential.

E.g. Imagine you're in Germany and you can not hire an expert in some specific specialty because language issues (i.e. because your staff is not able to work in English). Also, when doing collaboration between European companies: imagine having to deal with documentation written in French, German, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, Swedish, etc. Fortunately, most European IT companies do most of the code and documentation in English (that was not the case of 20-30 years ago, e.g. Imagine having to reprogram 6502 assembly stuff commented in French -or a CPU-less logic circuit, for adding more fun-, or understanding the German documentation for a 25 year old ticket issue machine built in Austria).

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> Yes, you must first learn German, Maybe because of this? > be able to borrow EUR 9,000 to apply for the student visa Also, this. 9,000 euros does not seem like too much for people from first-world countries, but for people coming from relatively speaking much poorer countries that sum is quite high.

Why learning German is a big issue? These are young people who can learn a language easily and in the beginning nobody expects you so high proficiency and people will always help and encourage you to learn the language. In Europe many educated folks know min 2 languages more and very open to learn more, you just need to leave your comfort zone. Learning languages also develops intellectually.

It is not the same to have level C1 (completely fluent) in German and having the vocabulary and level to study at a German university. Exams in Germany are never multiple-choice and require you to write with a scientific vocabulary and idioms. This means an additional year of intensive German alone to have the vocabulary to pass exams at university.

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Should I study engineering in Germany? I'm looking at undergrad programs in California right now and the numbers don't add up for me. Not just tuition, but cost of living as a full time student as well. I also feel like it would be much easier for me (a non-traditional student) to get into a better university over there, as they pretty much just look at your test scores. Not all this GPA/extra-curricular "well rounde…

AFAIK only the GPA matters as you have said (it's called Numerus Clausus or NC in Germany). If you look it up in a list, keep in mind that the German scale and the US 4 point GPA scale are reversed. 4.0 is the worst passing grade here and a 4.0 was an A+ at my US high school (I think there are different scales in different states?). For many degrees there's no GPA requirement at all. Engineering might very well be on…

The Uni vs FH statement might have some truth to it right after graduating, but in general, even without work experience it is much mire valuable to show what you can do if we are talking about software engineering for example. After a couple of years the type of degree hardly matters at all. Entirely depends on what you want though, i agree that the scientific rigor at a TU is higher while FH places more emphasis on applying science (you will still learn the fundamentals) but if you are not planning on going into research i'd say that difference hardly matters in most of the industry.

Re: Why Germany Educates International Students for Free

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In my opinion, unless German IT companies accept to work in English because available workforce in neighbor countries already know English, or they're going to have problems attracting world-class talent. I.e. accepting as "acceptable behavior" people not willing to learn German as a requirement.

I live and work in the Berlin startup world: "English is a must, German is a plus" is the status quo.
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