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Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

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Well, they certainly seem to have succeeded in fooling plenty of people around here.

To quote a Russian poet, Alexander Pushkin: "Oh it is not hard to fool me, for I am willing to be fooled."

Count me in -- I bought it / am buying it. Who has an interest in making it look like Russia?

I thought the folks who were acting concerned about the young throwaway accounts were just being paranoid. Until the next sequential throwaway account showed up and piled on. What gives? Is HN influential enough to deserve astroturfing / propaganda from state intelligence services?

Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

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Looks like bullshit. It does not match the vault7 leak, which is supposed to be from the very same NSA.

It is Russians. The classic example of Dunning Kruger effect. In a generally low IQ environment and primitive criminalized cultural environment they truly believe that what is enough to fool everyone around them, including the bosses (who are supposed to be really smart), will surely fool everyone else.

This is the phenomenon of negative selection of a cancer-like corrupted society (which ran for a three decades already) at work. They are literally decades behind of the technological progress and culture of the modern civilization.

They simply have no idea of what possible level of intelligence and sophistication could be found in places with decades of consistent high-IQ-based selection, like companies staffed with top 5% of MIT/Standford/Caltech/Berkeley graduates and what this kind of organization could do (think of Apple, Google, etc).

A high-tech US govt agency would never had such a crap in their folders. They are not a bunch of disconnected from reality, overconfident, self-deluded with their own primitive propaganda Russian punks.

Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

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Obviously, Perl is the NSA top language choice due to it's built in support for obfuscation and job security.

Although you're joking, Perl was invented to make an NSA project easier to develop. That project was first, high-assurance VPN: BLACKER. It was also NSA's attempt to do something secure for once since they lost the argument to INFOSEC co-founder, Roger Schell, where they thought only communications security, not computer security, mattered. They contracted it to TRW who made a lot of secure stuff & government systems…

The second paper mentions BLACKER and MLS, but nothing about perl. The closest perl comes to MLS is "taint" mode, but that seems a stretch. The first paper is pay-walled. Are you sure you're not thinking of SELinux?

Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

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Count us both. The BS one hears today (against Russia, etc) are the "WMD"s of 2017. There's a single superpower the last 2+ decades (Russia is no USSR) and it has a long history of pushing for its "interests" all over the world, starting wars, grabbing resources, overthrowing governments, supporting all kinds of lunatics and dictators. And covering the whole damage they do with holier than though finger pointing, mad…

I can't say I agree with all of the foreign policy decisions made on my behalf in the last few decades. But Russia reaps what it sows. And it sows corruption much worse than ours. Also it's remarkably unfair for you to cherry pick our foreign policy misdeeds while leaving out all of the good we've done over that same time frame. I wish we cultivated a better interest in world news and culture here. Our natural border…

> Also it's remarkably unfair for you to cherry pick our foreign policy misdeeds while leaving out all of the good we've done over that same time frame.

Considering the US government and it's MSM propaganda machine tell only one side of the story, I'd think you'd be comfortable with someone telling the other side of that story, if it's fairness you're seeking of course.

Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

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Just not from the mansion in Juneau

Good thing then that it's from an SNL skit and not something Palin actually said. This seems lost on many, many people.

Yes she said, "you can actually see Russia, from land, here in Alaska." (And not "from my house"). Why this was ripe for satire was that it was the response to "What insight into Russian actions particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of this state give you?" IMO she repeated part of the question as her answer and it didn't go anywhere near the seriousness of the questions before about Ossetia.

Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

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> "NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons"

This is just inaccurate, or at least purposefully misleading. The NSA did not just lose control of its "Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons".

They "lost control" of mainly a bunch of old exploits whose release will not matter because anyone who is running this old junk won't be updating their servers because of this news.

Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

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Zero day has been used in this context for at least 15 years and means that the vulnerability has been publicly known for zero days, or rather it is an undisclosed vulnerability.

The nomenclature of pirated "zero day" cracked (or usually just copied) software releases is at least twenty five years old, but likely older.

Wish "1day" would somehow make a comeback. "0day" sounds cooler, of course, but it was a lot easier to find 1day FTP warez sites in the wild than 0day sites.

Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

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Although you're joking, Perl was invented to make an NSA project easier to develop. That project was first, high-assurance VPN: BLACKER. It was also NSA's attempt to do something secure for once since they lost the argument to INFOSEC co-founder, Roger Schell, where they thought only communications security, not computer security, mattered. They contracted it to TRW who made a lot of secure stuff & government systems…

The second paper mentions BLACKER and MLS, but nothing about perl. The closest perl comes to MLS is "taint" mode, but that seems a stretch. The first paper is pay-walled. Are you sure you're not thinking of SELinux?

I wanted to link it but nothing came up in my bookmark search. As is typical. I think my bookmarks are too packed for search to even work right. So, I just described what I read in the past.

Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

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British native here. Do you not watch much TV or many movies?

I don't own a TV. :) I do watch some movies now and again though, especially when flying long haul but I never had one that mentioned those. Off the top of my head I can only think of 24 as a candidate but I never watched that.

Anyone who's spent any significant amount of time in political threads in reddit (just for example) would know those acronyms.

Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

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To quote a Russian poet, Alexander Pushkin: "Oh it is not hard to fool me, for I am willing to be fooled."

Count me in -- I bought it / am buying it. Who has an interest in making it look like Russia? I thought the folks who were acting concerned about the young throwaway accounts were just being paranoid. Until the next sequential throwaway account showed up and piled on. What gives? Is HN influential enough to deserve astroturfing / propaganda from state intelligence services?

It's not so much about "making it look like Russia" as it is about making the current administration look illegitimate. There are literally trillions of dollars at stake, as well as very affluent lifestyles of some very influential people who have been running things for decades. They might end up being replaced by a different group of people, and they don't like that one bit. And they are fighting it tooth and nail. Just goes to show how little power is really vested in the officials we elect (yes, "we", I am a US citizen), and how much of it is wielded by the amorphous Washington DC apparatus that doesn't change no matter who you vote into office. Explicitly going after them, the way Trump promised in the final months of his campaign, is a suicide mission, if he actually decides to follow through on the threat. But I don't think he actually has the power or indeed the smarts to "drain the swamp" in any kind of meaningful way. This draining is long overdue, but there's no way to accomplish this without some world class statesmanship, and without having the intelligence community on your side, and Trump is at odds with both of those things.

And here's some Russian perspective on "draining the swamp": that's actually one thing Putin did when he came to power. Under Yeltsin, the government was basically run by oligarchs, and they could do whatever the hell they wanted. Putin and Russia's security/intelligence community that installed him laid down the ground rules, and made it clear that from there on out orders would be coming down from the Kremlin, not the other way around. One oligarch rebelled (Khodorkovsky) and was put in prison for a decade. Which, by the way, was entirely deserved. Most Russians were disappointed that other oligarchs didn't follow.

The issue with "draining the swamp" is that this creates voids that other people fill. Which they did under Putin. So even though oligarchs are pretty obedient now, there's a much stronger swamp sub-structure of Putin's pals under the covers which is darn near impossible to remove until he dies, and they're all under his control.

So armed with this perspective, I like two features of the US political system that many other Americans (native and naturalized) intensely dislike: the divided congress and the constant Mexican standoff between the executive and the legislative branch. If those guys could agree on anything, that's when we'd really be in trouble. Case in point is once again Russia, where the executive branch can request whatever laws it wants and be 100% sure they'll pass the Duma. The result is predictable: harebrained laws protecting the incumbent regime.

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