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Massive permafrost thaw documented in Canada, portending huge carbon release

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Re: Massive permafrost thaw documented in Canada, portending huge carbon release

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> I never said it would be easy. All I'm saying is to shout them down and ridicule them is going to make the problem worse. Socializing is a good first time. Keep talking to them. Try not to lose your cool. It's hard.. it's really hard. I know people who are Trump fans and are caught up in one aspect that they like about him. Be it ant-immigration or whatever. I do my best to make them think I'm actively accepting th…

It's about numbers. As sien noted earlier "So about 50% of US citizens you would treat like holocaust deniers/flat-earthers? http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/10/04/public-views-on-climat... . " If the numbers were different we could marginalize these people. But the numbers aren't different and it doesn't help that generally speaking liberals tend not to vote in off elections. So the problem is even worse. Marginalizi…

> It's about numbers. As sien noted earlier "So about 50% of US citizens you would treat like holocaust deniers/flat-earthers? http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/10/04/public-views-on-climat.... "

That makes it clear you don't understand the problem.

This isn't about scientific consensus (which they can deploy reasonable sounding experts to "debunk") but literal fact denial of events (such as shootings and arrest records) that happened in the previous 1-5 years.

Once a group of people start arguing that events that occurred a few months or a year ago simply _did not happen_ because it is wrongthink it is no longer a political animal but a cult. It is at that point you can't "socialize" those people and you need to seek alternatives.

Re: Massive permafrost thaw documented in Canada, portending huge carbon release

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After carefully reading your post, it seems to me that the whole point of it is, due to some self perceived superiority of the Dutch people (pretty sure you mean white Dutch) you're bond to survive even the Armageddon. I can just say, I wish you well young man.

That's unduly personal, and therefore crosses into incivility. Please don't do that in comments here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13770833 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Massive permafrost thaw documented in Canada, portending huge carbon release

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As no one has mentioned it in the comments, the belief that this is concerning is related to the "Clathrate gun hypothesis"[1]. Essentially, low temperatures have allowed vast quantities of methane and carbon dioxide containing compounds to accumulate for millennia. If the temperatures rise above a critical threshold, a positive feedback loop would exist between temperatures and global warming. Positive feedback loop…

The feedback loop peaks out at a global temperature increase of 5-8 degrees celsius, if the models and past events are to be believed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene–Eocene_Thermal_Maxim...

5-8c is massive.

If you live in a temperate climate,

20c is quite pleasant and warm.

28c is getting into the range of a really hot day.

Re: Massive permafrost thaw documented in Canada, portending huge carbon release

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post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that carbon tax pays for the building of the thing?

I don't think a carbon tax is ever going to be politically viable.

On the off chance that somebody sees this 8 days later, Shell may disagree here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/shell-oil-warn-foss...

Of course, they are heavier into natural gas than their fossil fuel competitors, so a carbon tax impacts them the least, therefore giving them a competitive advantage.

The only reason it's not politically viable is because a minority of Americans have forced one political party to say so. That can change quickly. They think that they're protecting "their side" but even "their side" disagrees with them.

There's no excuse, absolutely no excuse, to be against a carbon tax. It's the most libertarian, market friendly way to deal with carbon emissions.

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