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Re: Wine 2.0 released

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Post by tzs »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #224
tzs wrote: post #112

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> Wine is a great project, and truly 'is not an emulator'. The Wine is not an emulator thing has an interesting history. It originally was officially called an emulator. The change was largely due to essentially marketing. The first suggestion for the "Wine Is Not an Emulator" language was made in 1993, over concern that "Windows Emulator" might run into trademark problems with Microsoft. That suggestion was by Bob A…

Found the /r/AskHistorians moderator. ;) You're either crazy fast with your research, or you have really looked into this in some depth. Great write-up, thank you.

Many years ago, probably around 2005 or so, I got tired of seeing threads on comp.os.linux.advocacy where someone would ask about the Linux equivalent to Windows program X, someone would mention that X works great under emulation with wine, and someone would jump in to say the Wine is not an emulator (and usually also manage to say "Windoze" or "Losedoze", refer to Microsoft as "M$" or "M$FT", and of course tell the first poster that it is "GNU/Linux", not "Linux").

I recalled that the people who actually wrote Wine had certainly called it an emulator, and so was curious why they had stopped. I researched it, wrote it up and probably posted it to to Usenet. Later, in 2009, I went to the "talk" page for the Wikipedia "Wine" article and added a note saying that there was some interesting history behind the interpretation of the project name that might be nice to try to work into the article, and gave the research and references so that if anyone wanted to have a go at it that could provide a starting point.

For the HN post, I just went to that talk page and grabbed my prior research.

Re: Wine 2.0 released

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Post by veli_joza »

problems wrote: post #145
bigbugbag wrote: post #101

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How could miss the top 10 platinum ? it is literally on the landing page of the Wine applications database[1]. It has left 4 dead, Team Fortress 2, Civilization 4, etc. More recent than World of Warcraft which is only rated gold. Then the Gold list has starcraft 2 (Wings of Liberty, Heart of the Swarm, and Legacy of the Void), the sims 3, Final Fantasy XIV, Fallout 3,... Though none of these are current day, they are…

Yeah, those games are about as old or older than FO3. WoW at least has had a recent update (including a basically total graphics engine rewrite last year, switching to a deferred pipeline, etc) and still runs well - I'd call it more recent, but maybe that's just me.

I ran No Man's Sky without problems. It's an OpenGL game so there are fewer incompatibility issues.

Re: Wine 2.0 released

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Post by naranja »

bartvk wrote: post #226

The biggest commercial contributor to Wine is CodeWeavers: https://www.codeweavers.com/ Fantastic and very sympathetic small company which offers a next-next-finish installation of Wine. Excellent if you run a Linux desktop in a corporate environment that expects the ability to run Windows stuff.

Just renewed my commercial license. CodeWeaver forms 2/3 of the Wine committers and contributes all their work first back into the Wine projects.

So worth every penny for the good cause.

Re: Wine 2.0 released

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Post by Belphemur »

RVuRnvbM2e wrote: post #247
voltagex_ wrote: post #217

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Debian stable's Wine is often fairly old. I wish there was an easier way to get a newer Wine on stable. They're rejecting your reports because the issues are often fixed in newer versions - someone would have to re-confirm your reports on a newer version.

Uh, what? There's an up-to-date repository here: https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian

Yes but not all the user would have it set up. They surely consider that the majority of the users don't.

Maybe the policy about rejecting debian reports came way before they setup the repository.

Re: Wine 2.0 released

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Post by Theodores »

platz wrote: post #174
some-guy wrote: post #132

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Can't speak for Premiere, but I have a really old copy of Photoshop (7.0) that I run on Wine and it has all of the features I need.

As long as you're not trying to collaborate with anyone, I've come around to The Gimp a bit lately for basic image manipulation w/ layers.

I did that for a while but then moved to doing things in command line imageMagick with 'eog' to see stuff. Then I moved to php imagick library as the command line tools were a bit 'high level' for what I needed to do.

Naturally I also moved away from Adobe vector editing tools to Inkscape and then to using vim to edit svg files.

Having discovered this 'convenient' way of working I am not enthused by the idea of installing some ppa to install Wine to install Adobe Creative Suite so I can get access to some version of Photoshop to then crack/hack it. Seems a lot of work to tweak the levels on an image.

Re: Wine 2.0 released

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Post by gpderetta »

voltagex_ wrote: post #217
bblough wrote: post #190

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Unless you run Debian stable (or probably any LTS distro), in which case they don't want your reports because "your software is too out of date". I find this attitude odd, because there are (at least) tens of thousands of wine installs under Debian alone. Surely the information is relevant and useful to people, even if the version is no longer officially supported. As a result, I've stopped wasting my time filing rep…

Debian stable's Wine is often fairly old. I wish there was an easier way to get a newer Wine on stable. They're rejecting your reports because the issues are often fixed in newer versions - someone would have to re-confirm your reports on a newer version.

PlayOnLinux? It is a bit frowned upon and gaming oriented, but it offers one click install of any wine version, including unstable, with the ability of having multiple versions installed at the same time.

I run it on top of Debian testing.

Re: Wine 2.0 released

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Post by gpderetta »

problems wrote: post #145
bigbugbag wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How could miss the top 10 platinum ? it is literally on the landing page of the Wine applications database[1]. It has left 4 dead, Team Fortress 2, Civilization 4, etc. More recent than World of Warcraft which is only rated gold. Then the Gold list has starcraft 2 (Wings of Liberty, Heart of the Swarm, and Legacy of the Void), the sims 3, Final Fantasy XIV, Fallout 3,... Though none of these are current day, they are…

Yeah, those games are about as old or older than FO3. WoW at least has had a recent update (including a basically total graphics engine rewrite last year, switching to a deferred pipeline, etc) and still runs well - I'd call it more recent, but maybe that's just me.

The rumour is that Blizard has a sort-of-unofficial support for wine for some of their applications and they at least try not to break it on each update.

Re: Wine 2.0 released

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Post by gpderetta »

xs wrote: post #233
bandrami wrote: post #11

Cool. I have to admit I haven't thought about Wine in a while because I can't think of any software I use that doesn't have a Linux version. What are people's use-cases nowadays?

I'm on a MacBook pro and use wine to play Skyrim. That was quite a wtf moment when I first got it working. Mods and all!

I spent one evening trying to figure out why it was extremely slow (1fps) and why there were some rendering artefacts. Then I found out I was running with nouveau instead of the proprietary nvidia drivers (this was a new OS install on a new machine). After switching drivers it run extremely well.

Re: Wine 2.0 released

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Post by mschaef »

rijoja wrote: post #26

This brings me back to the early days of my Linux usage. I've always been fascinated by this project. My very nerdy dream has always been to try to contribute to it somehow. How hard is it to get in to the community?

Me too... I remember being excited when Solitare was running well under Linux.

One area where I've found Wine personally very useful over the years is understanding the Windows API. Without access to Windows source, access to the Wine source can be the next best thing to understand what a particular API should be doing. (Of course, it's been a while since I've written any Win32 code.)

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