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Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by Nadya » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 9:05 PM UTC

zipperhead wrote: post #250

pvinis wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you can use this https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/thintabs/ or even better tab bar on the left with this https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/tab-center .

Personally, I can't do without Tree Style Tabs: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...

I prefer FireGestures. I can right click and scroll anywhere on a page to switch tabs. I then organize these tabs via Tab Groups (Ctrl+Shift+E, I believe removed in FF42 or FF44 but has an add-on to restore its functionality).

The gesture, I believe, is under 'Advanced Gestures' and is called `[Popup] List All Tabs`. Honestly I wish this was a standalone add-on because it is bloody amazing and I don't really use anything else from FireGestures.

It gives me a context menu with all of my tabs. No need to move my mouse to some "tab area". Although it appears this functionality is broken in modern versions of FF, as it only lists the active tab instead of all tabs. :(

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by 9erdelta » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 9:40 PM UTC

I think every week I try to use something other than Chrome. This week I am using Brave, and I am very committed to making Brave my daily driver. But clicking on the "+" to open a new tab is not as responsive as Chrome, and there are many more small details like that. They aren't that noticeable immediately after starting to use the browser, but sensitivity to it builds up over use to the point that it is very annoying. So annoying that Chrome is working its way back into my work flow. Even more, in the last couple hours I've had 3 instances where a website didn't work correctly and I had to switch to Chrome. Extremely frustrating and if the alternative browers can't satisfy someone actively looking to ditch Chrome, then there's no way it will be adopted by more than a small fraction of users.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by pdimitar » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 10:25 PM UTC

LordWinstanley wrote: post #195

rubyn00bie wrote: post #97

Daily Firefox user here. Switched back from Chrome a couple years ago and haven't looked back. Just seeing the comments here exasperates me... So for those who don't know, the Internet is heavily biased towards Chrome. Simple pages that should render no differently in FF than Chrome are often broken. This "Chrome is great, screw everything else" attitude is exactly how we ended up with IE and stagnation in standards/…

I used Firefox for a long time as I wanted to use the same browser across all my devices [for synching reasons]. The Android version of Firefox is definitely the least 'crippled' browser I've used on mobile, with full support for plugins [not that I'm one of those who load up their browser with dozens of plugins, but I like to add a few things like uBlock, NoScript, etc]. Unfortunately [and call it subjective, if you…

Not disagreeing with anything you said, I want to make that clear first.

Disclaimer: what follows only applies to Samsung Androids from 6.0 (Marshmallow) and above. I use Chrome on my Win10 main machine.

What works best for me on Android is Samsung's Internet browser. It supports content blocking (definitely saves my sanity when I browse on my S7 Edge) -- and the lack of bookmarks synced to Google wasn't something that proved to be a problem. In the very rare cases I miss it, I just open my Android Chrome, copy the URL from the bookmarks UI and open it in Samsung's Internet browser.

Plus it's very fast and has a pretty decent Reading Mode support (which also has a switch between a day and night mode and a config for font size; it works really well and helps a lot when I want to read the web while on the bed).

I was never a brand loyalist and I realize the problem with the standards and I dislike every dev team that doesn't take it seriously, please note that. But I still love Samsung and Apple for being one of the few that keep Google's browser monopoly at bay. Microsoft too, although their Edge browser is yet to get more audience.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by smsm42 » Sat, Jan 07, 2017, 4:54 AM UTC

usrusr wrote: post #178

smsm42 wrote: post #75

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No one could reasonably outcompete Microsoft. Then suddenly nobody even discusses IE anymore. And tons of people use Linux.

Your "suddenly" did not come out of thin air, it happenned after regulation. Microsoft was not broken down or fined to oblivion, but they did change their behavior a lot when they started hitting regulatory boundaries. Internet Explorer was practically put into maintenance mode for many years when it became clear that Microsoft would not be allowed to own the web like they owned the PC. We cannot know the outcome of…

Regulation didn't create Linux or Firefox. Neither did it create Macbook Pro or Android.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by smsm42 » Sat, Jan 07, 2017, 4:56 AM UTC

WayneBro wrote: post #239

usrusr wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your "suddenly" did not come out of thin air, it happenned after regulation. Microsoft was not broken down or fined to oblivion, but they did change their behavior a lot when they started hitting regulatory boundaries. Internet Explorer was practically put into maintenance mode for many years when it became clear that Microsoft would not be allowed to own the web like they owned the PC. We cannot know the outcome of…

Apple and Google are far, far worse than Microsoft ever had been and I'd take a Microsoft monopoly any day of the week over those two. You can't do shit these days without having to deal with Apple's ridiculously selfish and tyrannical business model or Google's all-knowing, ever watchful gaze.

> Apple and Google are far, far worse

Worse in which regard?

> You can't do shit these days without having to deal with Apple's ridiculously selfish and tyrannical business model

Actually I do shit every day these days without coming into contact with Apple's selfish and tyrannical business model. So do millions of other people. iOS developer is a choice, not a sentence. If you don't like it, don't do it. There are tons of other things to do.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by smsm42 » Sat, Jan 07, 2017, 4:57 AM UTC

bobajeff wrote: post #123

smsm42 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one could reasonably outcompete Microsoft. Then suddenly nobody even discusses IE anymore. And tons of people use Linux.

Well there was that browser ballot they had to show in Europe to Windows users as a result of a antitrust case.

That wouldn't do anything if there was no viable alternative. And didn't, until viable alternative did show up.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by jedikv » Sat, Jan 07, 2017, 11:43 AM UTC

rubyn00bie wrote: post #97

Daily Firefox user here. Switched back from Chrome a couple years ago and haven't looked back. Just seeing the comments here exasperates me... So for those who don't know, the Internet is heavily biased towards Chrome. Simple pages that should render no differently in FF than Chrome are often broken. This "Chrome is great, screw everything else" attitude is exactly how we ended up with IE and stagnation in standards/…

What about the fact that Firefox isn't considered as secure as chrome - http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/pwn2own-2016-firefox-missing-i... (I say that as someone who mains chrome but jumps on to FF now and then).

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by WayneBro » Sat, Jan 07, 2017, 2:52 PM UTC

smsm42 wrote: post #255

WayneBro wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple and Google are far, far worse than Microsoft ever had been and I'd take a Microsoft monopoly any day of the week over those two. You can't do shit these days without having to deal with Apple's ridiculously selfish and tyrannical business model or Google's all-knowing, ever watchful gaze.

> Apple and Google are far, far worse Worse in which regard? > You can't do shit these days without having to deal with Apple's ridiculously selfish and tyrannical business model Actually I do shit every day these days without coming into contact with Apple's selfish and tyrannical business model. So do millions of other people. iOS developer is a choice, not a sentence. If you don't like it, don't do it. There are t…

> Worse in which regard?

Their respective business models?

> Actually I do shit every day...

OK, but we're on HN and we're talking about building software and/or webpages... So let me rephrase - you can't make software and/or a webpage without having to deal with Apple and Google in some way. You're either going to have to put it in the app store and do some advertising with Google or you're going to have to make that webpage work with crappy Safari or make it AMP compliant or something else in order to get ahead. Of course you don't HAVE to do that stuff, but then you'll just get left behind. Seeya!

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by bobajeff » Sat, Jan 07, 2017, 6:48 PM UTC

smsm42 wrote: post #256

bobajeff wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well there was that browser ballot they had to show in Europe to Windows users as a result of a antitrust case.

That wouldn't do anything if there was no viable alternative. And didn't, until viable alternative did show up.

Actually this happened after Firefox and Chrome had already been out.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by fattire » Sat, Jan 07, 2017, 6:58 PM UTC

hvidgaard wrote: post #110

fattire wrote: post #62

Wish this issue hadn't been closed. Signal for Firefox is a big missing feature: https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Desktop/issues/415

I don't use Signal for that exact reason. The value in having the unified chat client on my desktop and phone outweight the potential privacy issues, so I'm using Telegram.

Well there is Signal for Chrome... fwiw