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Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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That's impressive, but still an easy course compared to what I see daily in my (large) city. I'll get mine in February and am curious to see what it'll do in those narrow roads where 2 vehicles going in opposite directions can't pass each other sometimes.

Wouldn't the answer be "same as an average human?"

I hope not; the average human can't pass an obstacle at 1-2cm distance safely, a machine could.

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Volvo takes the position for their 2017 that they cannot demand that the driver take over. The car can ask , but must be prepared to pull over and stop if the driver doesn't push the "Manual Drive" button. Here's the first of 100 self-driving cars Volvo will put in customer hands in 2017.[1] This shows close-ups of all the sensors - high radar and camera behind the windscreen, low LIDAR and camera in the nose, and si…

Sure. But didn't the Volvo CEO push "Level 4 only"? They certainly are saying they'll only release a Level 4 vehicle - the Tesla is still expecting a human to take over.

NHTSA levels: [1] Level 3: "Vehicles at this level of automation enable the driver to cede full control of all safety-critical functions under certain traffic or environmental conditions and in those conditions to rely heavily on the vehicle to monitor for changes in those conditions requiring transition back to driver control. The driver is expected to be available for occasional control, but with sufficiently comfortable transition time. The Google car is an example of limited self-driving automation."

Tesla's old system was Level 2. Google and Volvo have level 3 in test. Tesla's new system is supposed to be Level 3. There's a bright line between level 2 and 3 - NHTSA says that at Level 3 and above, the manufacturer is responsible for accidents and cannot blame the driver.

[1] http://www.nhtsa.gov/About-NHTSA/Press-Releases/U.S.-Departm...

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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That's practical, and for people like you and me who aren't bothered by the idea of not owning our own vehicle, but it's very culturally desirable in the US to own a personal vehicle. Not an unsolvable problem, but it will definitely be a bump in the road.

i don't think its an issue. live in the city? dont own a car. just like today. uber is way cheaper than owing a car. live in the gonnies? own a car. hailing one would take forever. having cars near you in the gonnies,that you dont own wouldn't be economical. basically, there would be less vehicule owners but not that many less.

I do wonder how many people living in cities would still choose to own a car if they could just get a self-driving one on demand.

For example, friends of mine recently bought a summer cottage. It's a little over an hour's drive. They don't have a car, so they currently rent one or try to borrow one when they want to go there. Once there, the car will probably sit still for a week.

Currently, there's no really good solution to this. Renting is expensive if you just need to drive a couple of hours a week. Buying a car might make more economic sense in the long term, but it's still pretty expensive for the purpose. Taxi rides like that cost an arm and a leg too. But if the car could drive itself out of the woods...

Of course it's a question of pricing, and I'm guessing we're still some way off from having self-driving cars navigate dirt paths that pass through people's yards as is the case here.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Camera based... so if you drive through mud or it's raining hard does this still work?

Do your eyes still work when you drive through the mud or it's raining hard?

Do the cameras have windshield wipers? At times if the window gets too dirty or it's raining too hard I need to pull over to clear it, even with my high tech eyes. Will the car go into a fail safe mode? Just stop in the middle of the lane because it thinks the bug-strike on the lens is a person?

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Reading through Tesla blogs and watching this video, my understanding is the self driving hardware is cameras and ultrasonic sensors. Does the lack of lidar not scare anyone else? Also, Out of curiosity, does anyone know how a Tesla behaves if you point ultrasonic transducers in the same frequency at it? Do they have special modulation to avoid tampering in this manner? I imagine you could confuse the car into thinki…

At this year's DEFCON there was a lecture [1] about the sensors on a Tesla and yes - you can confuse both the ultrasonic and the millimeter wave radar and hide an obstacle or put one that is not there. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvasj4qQ7Lk

Finally got around to watching this. Super interesting. Exactly what I was thinking about.

Thanks!

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