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Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by lucidguppy »

notyourloops wrote: post #243
lucidguppy wrote: post #193

Carbohydrates do not make you fat. I am eating a high carb vegan diet and have lost 63 pounds since last October. My weight loss: http://imgur.com/a/cGb4X I do not restrict the amount of food I eat. I snack and have big meals. Carbs do not make you fat. Eating high caloric density foods makes you fat. More resources: http://nutritionfacts.org/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5wfMNNr3ak http://www.forksoverknives.com…

Carbohydrates make me fat. Maybe not you, but definitely me. There is no way around that and I've made peace with it.

Have you tried going on the starch solution strictly for two weeks? How do you eat your carbs - is there any oil along with those carbs? Any meats or dairy?

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by philip1209 »

mgraczyk wrote: post #87
gtrubetskoy wrote: post #57

I don't have a weight problem, I learned about ketosis researching natural ways for improving focus and concentration, and somehow came across "bulletproof coffee". (I'm only using BP for lack of a better name and I don't endorse the stuff they sell online). To my utter surprise, something as stupidly simple as coffee blended with butter with coconut oil (or MCT) first thing in the morning did unbelievable things for…

As a counter point, I did keto for several months last year and found that my concentration and mental clarity were significantly worse while on the diet. My mind operated at about the capacity as it would have, had I slept only 5 hours the night before.

This probably had to do with too little salt consumption. I had to increase my salt intake from 2 to ~5 grams per day. If I don't, I have a mental fog (and cramps and stuff).

This talk digs into it a little bit:

http://quantifiedself.com/2015/12/effects-year-ketosis-jim-m...

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by lucidguppy »

ricardobeat wrote: post #204
lucidguppy wrote: post #193

Carbohydrates do not make you fat. I am eating a high carb vegan diet and have lost 63 pounds since last October. My weight loss: http://imgur.com/a/cGb4X I do not restrict the amount of food I eat. I snack and have big meals. Carbs do not make you fat. Eating high caloric density foods makes you fat. More resources: http://nutritionfacts.org/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5wfMNNr3ak http://www.forksoverknives.com…

Can you describe your diet and the amount of carbs in it?

I eat most of my calories from rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes, corn, and other starches. I round out the diet with green and orange vegetables. Fruits are snacks.

For breakfast I have oatmeal with a banana and raisins with cinnamon.

For lunch I'll have brown rice with vegetable stew on top.

Dinner can be vegan whole wheat pizza, bean burritos, spaghetti with marinara sauce, moo shoo vegetable wraps, rice and vegetables.

https://www.drmcdougall.com/health/education/free-mcdougall-...

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by ariel-faigon »

zachrose wrote: post #4

Among words correlated to weight-gain, the least correlated of these is cheeseburgers! Be still my heart (not literally)!

Good eye. May be random noise since most daily deltas in the data-set are so small. See comments about over-fitting and noise elsewhere in the thread. Also may be a veggie-style (without the bun) burger. It was over 2 years ago, so I don't remember. I plan to write a separate machine-learning focused doc on this exploratory experiment when I get more time.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by parasubvert »

jacobwcarlson wrote: post #115
gtrubetskoy wrote: post #57

I don't have a weight problem, I learned about ketosis researching natural ways for improving focus and concentration, and somehow came across "bulletproof coffee". (I'm only using BP for lack of a better name and I don't endorse the stuff they sell online). To my utter surprise, something as stupidly simple as coffee blended with butter with coconut oil (or MCT) first thing in the morning did unbelievable things for…

> To my utter surprise, something as stupidly simple as coffee blended with butter with coconut oil (or MCT) first thing in the morning did unbelievable things for mental productivity. Eat food. Mostly plants. Not too much. If that doesn't work for you, talk to a doctor.

Not helpful. Michael Pollen's pithy advice is a rather trite and even he will say it's misleading adage. For example, if one ate mostly starchy or sugary plants, they'd probably be a lot less healthy than someone who ate mostly wild game and greens. Nutrition is incredibly complicated and variable.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by parasubvert »

lucidguppy wrote: post #193

Carbohydrates do not make you fat. I am eating a high carb vegan diet and have lost 63 pounds since last October. My weight loss: http://imgur.com/a/cGb4X I do not restrict the amount of food I eat. I snack and have big meals. Carbs do not make you fat. Eating high caloric density foods makes you fat. More resources: http://nutritionfacts.org/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5wfMNNr3ak http://www.forksoverknives.com…

"Carbohydrates do not make you fat."

Yes, they can, though it is rare.

More accurately:

- Fat loss is ultimately about caloric deficient sustained over time and adjusting for metabolic adaptation.

- Sustaining that deficit over time (diet compliance) is highly variable. For some is easier with carbs than it is with protein or fat. YMMV.

So, yes, your diet works, but the problem is that many people wouldn't be able to physiologically stick with it for longer than a few weeks. This isn't just about mind over matter, this is about body over mind. (Insulin response in particular)

- Protein itself cannot make you fat (the amount of protein you would need to consume relative to other carbs and fats in the diet renders this physiologically highly improbable).

- Carbohydrates can make you fat if that's all you eat (de novo lypogenesis becomes a thing if you injest - Fat will be stored unless there is insufficient protein or carbs in the diet, then fat will be metabolized.

source: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-we-get-fat.htm...

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by sgt101 »

derefr wrote: post #177
cel1ne wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an often-forgot other situation where your body needs some stored energy: sickness and accidents.

Does it really need stored energy? Parenteral nutrition in hospital works fine with plain glucose. One would assume you could just eat fruit (or drink soda, I guess) when sick, to get the energy you need right then.

One problem for athletes is that they take an energy drink or bar and then feel dopey. This is because as soon as a surge of glucose hits your blood your pancreas pumps out insulin and sweeps it all up leading to a crash. Instead drink milk or eat complex un processed carbs like oat cakes (but not ones that have a ton of honey).

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by tigerBL00D »

CarpetBench wrote: post #216
tigerBL00D wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some corrections from the point of view of an endurance athlete (triathlon). First of all you don't really "eat glucose", that would be an oversimplification. Glucose is produced by your own body when metabolizing carbohydrates. As a backup mechanism your liver can also produce glucose by converting amino acids (muscle) and even fat, a process known as gluconeogenesis. Now, if we replace "eat glucose" with "eat carbo…

> As a backup mechanism your liver can also produce glucose by converting amino acids (muscle) and even fat, a process known as gluconeogenesis. Just a quick note, and your explanation is fantastic otherwise: this isn't quite correct. The (human) liver doesn't use fat directly for gluconeogenesis. It's just not efficient for humans: We wouldn't gain enough energy from it. The liver uses fat indirectly through glycero…

Thank you for this clarification. I agree, I took a few too many shortcuts with that statement and it can be misleading.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by iopq »

ghshephard wrote: post #120
iopq wrote: post #56

Of course you're going to gain weight when you eat carbs. Glycogen contains mostly water and carbs, so if you store glycogen you gain weight, up to 20 lbs from completely depleted. So let's say you eat low carb and train very hard for a week. Your muscles will be depleted, your liver will be depleted. You see that you lost 10 lbs! Great! But is it? Maybe you lost one pound of fat and 9 pounds of water. Then you eat N…

I was wondering when someone was going to mention this. I can add about 11-12 pounds of body-weight by scale reading in a single day simply by eating food rich in carbs the day prior. Cutting the Carbs out of my diet see's that weight disappear (thought it takes 4-5 days). Adding Potassium, Sodium, Magnesium supplements to meals reduces the water loss somewhat. Agreed - that the real question isn't weight, per se, bu…

Yeah, I had a DEXA scan T 191lbs and I was 16% BF. It's not practical to do this every day, though.

But what I've found is that calipers actually do a good job at showing body fat changes. They're horrible for absolute values (if they say 12%, they might be off by 4%), even at multiple measurement sites. But if calipers measure more or less, you can still be fairly sure that you have gained or lost fat mass.

Measuring like that I found that nothing beats lots of caffeine and plain low calorie diet.

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