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Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by argonaut »

spb wrote: post #131
argonaut wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the article lists various reasons why none of those would likely apply to her. The IG's report only shows incompetence on her part, not criminal intent.

The IG's report is basically just ass-covering by the Department of State, iterating her violations of protocol so that it doesn't look like they were completely incapable of recognizing things that the FBI is about to bring to light. The criminal intent part is the FBI's job, and will likely apply, at the very least, to things like Clinton's attempt to delete thousands of messages before handing over the server (mes…

Yes, her situation is comparable to her husband's impeachment. It's 100% politically motivated.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by tempestn »

blhack wrote: post #176
tempestn wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> She could have hired a team of machine learning grad students to build her a personalized spam filter. Or instead of reinventing the wheel, installed an existing spam detection product like SpamAssassin on the email server.

Or, truly the craziest of possible scenarios: simply followed the instructions given to her by the people administering her access to the government's IT infrastructure.

I don't disagree with you. Just seemed like we were getting into the bizarre talking about teams of grad students to create something that already existed, unless I just didn't detect the sarcasm.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by peteretep »

stillusingvb6 wrote: post #210
peteretep wrote: post #178

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> Seems I'd love to hear a shred of fact on this, beause everything I've read that's researched it shows that's an absolute falsehood.

Was hawk: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/how-hillary-cl... Hates equality: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/hillary-clinton-doma_us_562e7... Lies on top of lies: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/now-know-hillary-lied-multiple... Hard to believe she is a Democrat.

I am struggling to understand what being a hawk and her email server have to do with liberal vs conservative views?

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by fvargas »

nickonline wrote: post #179
fvargas wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't say "anyone". Most people, technical or not, have no idea what they're doing when it comes to computer security and don't care enough or take the time to research best practices.

> Anyone who has set up a web-server on the public net The statement wasn't just anyone

My quoting the word "anyone" was meant in the context of the parent post including its additional filtering of the set of people being referenced.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by woodman »

cm2012 wrote: post #139
zaroth wrote: post #108

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What do you mean "that server was for only unclassified data"? There was no other server. Clinton had a .gov account but entirely refused to use it. Meaning 100% of the email Clinton sent was sent through her insecure personal server. Do you believe 100% of her email was entirely unclassified at the time it was sent? As for innocuous, it's reported that her emails (unsurprisingly) included intelligence from "special…

There was another server for truly classified info + hard copies were used for sensitive stuff. Also, the official non-classified state department server was confirmed hacked during her tenure. Excerpt: How did Clinton receive and consume classified information? The Secretary's office was located in a secure area. Classified information was viewed in hard copy by Clinton while in the office. While on travel, the Stat…

That is false. Sidney Blumenthal emailed her signals intelligence (which is top-secret at a minimum) on her unsecure server, after stripping classification markings. This has been covered pretty well, and if you want to see for yourself then you can grab a copy of the Guccifer data dump.

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Post by ghostly_s »

moyix wrote: post #9
ghostly_s wrote: post #5

Does this really indicate any private correspondence was printed via the internet? Even if a printer was set up which _was_ writable via this web address, that doesn't mean that emails from the email server itself were printed to that address rather than directly to the device, does it? In fact, presumably the printer and email were hosted on the same server so it doesn't make much sense to me that they would send on…

It seems like it would be strange to give a printer a DNS name if you didn't intend to talk to it over the internet. If you're directly connected it doesn't need an IP at all. I think the sniffing threat mentioned is overblown. As one of the commenters mentions, ISPs don't generally allow adjacent IPs to sniff traffic. A bigger threat is that a vulnerability in the printer may have been exploited. E.g., for a long ti…

I think you've misread my point. I understand this indicates an intention to talk to the printer over the internet; I don't understand why this would indicate that the emails, specifically, were printed in that manner rather than directly through a local connection. Perhaps the printer was used for printing emails locally but also was made web-accessible as a (misguided) convenience feature for printing other content.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by exabrial »

heurist wrote: post #232
exabrial wrote: post #171

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Actually no, we're fortunate this isn't happening in 2017, or 2018. We can still keep her out of office, and we should, on moral grounds, not party grounds. Unfortunately, the alternatives to her aren't that great either. I'm hedging my bets until November, hoping some sort of miracle happens. Hoping this election invokes the 12th amendment and goes to the house. I feel none of the current candidates would be eligibl…

The house would be the opposite of a fresh start, and would likely hand it to Trump (or whatever right-leaning 'independent' might happen to show up).

They are very displeased with him actually, remember Trump has alienated all the establishment in his party. And the house can nominate whomever they want.

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Post by makomk »

moyix wrote: post #9
ghostly_s wrote: post #5

Does this really indicate any private correspondence was printed via the internet? Even if a printer was set up which _was_ writable via this web address, that doesn't mean that emails from the email server itself were printed to that address rather than directly to the device, does it? In fact, presumably the printer and email were hosted on the same server so it doesn't make much sense to me that they would send on…

It seems like it would be strange to give a printer a DNS name if you didn't intend to talk to it over the internet. If you're directly connected it doesn't need an IP at all. I think the sniffing threat mentioned is overblown. As one of the commenters mentions, ISPs don't generally allow adjacent IPs to sniff traffic. A bigger threat is that a vulnerability in the printer may have been exploited. E.g., for a long ti…

It was on a cable internet connection. Typically that means that everything is broadcast to every customer on the same node (because cable networks are inherently broadcast-only) and the only privacy protection is a crappy 56-bit DES encryption that can be broken with a couple of dollars of compute time.
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