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Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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Post by tptacek »

kasey_junk wrote: post #244
tptacek wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you; I think there are some amazing strong communities all across the poorer areas of Chicago. But there are also people who will fuck with you there. The communities don't support them; in fact, on the west side (where I live), they put up signs on every block saying they want to chase those people away. Ask people who bike from the loop to Oak Park if they've ever been fucked with in Lawndale. I have a…

I think the truth is somewhere between your guys' position. There is a very real statistical difference between the crime rates between neighborhoods. But its also true that the actual incident rate is much exaggerated by the media and perceptions of neighborhood differences are greater than reality. One thing that is for sure, young black teens/men have a much, much more dangerous time of it, regardless of neighborh…

I think we probably agree completely.

Also, can we all agree that we'd feel a lot less safe in Wrigleyville after a Cubs game than anywhere else in the city?

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Post by photonwins »

I grew up in an Asian country where I have seen police corruption first hand more than once and I always wished my country had better educated and morally strong individuals who would protect the weaker sections of the society instead of siding with rich/powerful people even if they are criminals.

I always wished like in the west police would enforce the law regardless of the status of that individual and that police and other govt officials are better paid and hence there was no need for them to get corrupted for the sake few extra bucks.

I am currently working in one of those "developed" countries in the west and observing things around me, reading articles/comments like here. It appears that, it is not really very different here either. I guess human greed is universal.

Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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Post by kasey_junk »

tptacek wrote: post #251
kasey_junk wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the truth is somewhere between your guys' position. There is a very real statistical difference between the crime rates between neighborhoods. But its also true that the actual incident rate is much exaggerated by the media and perceptions of neighborhood differences are greater than reality. One thing that is for sure, young black teens/men have a much, much more dangerous time of it, regardless of neighborh…

I think we probably agree completely. Also, can we all agree that we'd feel a lot less safe in Wrigleyville after a Cubs game than anywhere else in the city?

The Lincoln Park incident involved a white 20 something lawyer...

Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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Post by jpambrun »

WaxProlix wrote: post #232
jpambrun wrote: post #216

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Whatever the temporal basis of comparaison, it kind of means that any relationship involving a cop is more likely to result in abuse. no?

Yes. But it doesn't mean that, given a random sampling of 100 cops in relationships, you could expect ~40 of those to be currently abusive of their partners.

This is also what I initially understood. But still, it means that if I get 100 cops in a room, about 40 have been or will be in an abusive relationship. That is still very telling/surprising.

Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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Post by thomasec »

The CPD and City of Chicago have long operated under their own terms, and they need to be very careful now that there is a national focus on them. The common perception from outsiders of the city has always been "well....that's just Chicago" - think when characters like Rod Blagojevich make it to the national spotlight. With high profile cases of police corruption at the very highest level, I think the "charm" of corrupt politics and government start to go away.

I lived there for 7 years before relocating elsewhere, and at no point did it ever feel like the city was operating on behalf of its residence. There is segregation unlike anything I've seen in any other major city that is entirely ignored, the "startup" culture that they've been trying to cultivate for years is complete BS and at odds with how anti-business the city is, and now people are starting to see what happens when large government organizations go unchecked for decades.

I guess the one silver lining about incidents like this is that it should put some national pressure (and hopefully, accountability) on the CPD. I am aware that things like this happen elsewhere, but having lived in about a half dozen cities in the US, I never felt like the problem was as large and systemic as I observed in Chicago.

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Post by jbob2000 »

pflats wrote: post #161
jbob2000 wrote: post #55

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The dash cams are for their benefit. There was a county in another state that implemented dash cams for their police force and found an 80% drop in complaints against officers. Why do officers feel like they are being watched? The dash cams are to protect them. If they fear being watched, perhaps they know they aren't doing their job?

>The dash cams are for their benefit. There was a county in another state that implemented dash cams for their police force and found an 80% drop in complaints against officers. Baloney. The cameras are for the public's benefit. Imagine your employer (or whatever) came to you and said, "From now on, you're wearing a camera whenever you're working. It's for your benefit; if anyone ever accuses you of slacking off, you…

My manager looks through all of the code I commit as part of a review process. How is that any different? I know that if I commit sloppy code, he will come and talk to me. And if I commit good code, he will give me a hearty handshake and a pat on the back. So I try not to commit sloppy code because I know he is watching.

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Post by DannyBee »

alistairSH wrote: post #118
DannyBee wrote: post #108

" “How they determine that it’s purposely caused damages, I’d like to know,” Angelo said last month. “How they can figure out what is mechanical or what is human error, I’d like to know.”" Yeah, i mean how could you possibly tell whether it was human error for things like "wires cut with diagonal cutters". If the officers are so worried, they could do something fairly simple. They could take a cell phone video of wha…

To be fair, Angelo's job (head of the local union) is to protect and advocate for the officers. Yes, he sounds completely ridiculous, but he can't come out and say "yup, they broke the dashcams." (In no way do I mean to imply he is correct, or that the system isn't completely broken.)

Fun fact: it's not effecitve advocacy if nobody believes you :)

Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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Post by johnhenry »

WaxProlix wrote: post #232
jpambrun wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever the temporal basis of comparaison, it kind of means that any relationship involving a cop is more likely to result in abuse. no?

Yes. But it doesn't mean that, given a random sampling of 100 cops in relationships, you could expect ~40 of those to be currently abusive of their partners.

"Domestic violence occurs in about 40% of households with police officers"... I think that is what the above claim means.

Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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Post by monksy »

tptacek wrote: post #220
callinyouin wrote: post #106

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I'm moving to Chicago in a few months. Are there certain neighborhoods that should be avoided on the basis of corrupt police activity? I wonder because I could see neighborhoods that are relatively safe in terms of civilian crime, but cops posted in that area might have nothing better to do than mess with its inhabitants.

The quieter the neighborhood, the less likely it is you'll ever interact with a police officer. If you're in your mid-20s, the typical places to end up would be Uky Village, Logan Square, Roscoe Village, Lincoln Square, and Uptown. You wouldn't want to live in Streeterville or Edgewater for reasons beyond the number of police there. If you're seeing lots of police in Wrigleyville, it's because the neighborhood is ove…

> If you're seeing lots of police in Wrigleyville, it's because the neighborhood is overrun with drunk overgrown fraternity members. If you actually live in Wrigleyville, there's a good chance you like the police, because Wrigleyville drunks are pretty fucking annoying.

Wrigley isn't a good place to drink at. The cops know about how shitty it gets and they're sitting there waiting to break up fights, call the ambulance for people drinknig too much, and ticket out of control people.

Also, something that hasn't been said yet: Don't move to Englewood. That's where most of the crimes occur.

Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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Post by gaius »

rhino369 wrote: post #194
coldtea wrote: post #51

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> I can't hardly imagine that most people posting here would ever consider a job where literally every word or sound that came out of their mouth during their entire working life was recorded, and likely subject to public disclosure. Well, if by "entire working life" you mean "every time they go in patrol or are on a call" then yes. Nobody is interested in their water cooler talks. > Saying that this is what cops sig…

>Well, if by "entire working life" you mean "every time they go in patrol or are on a call" then yes. Nobody is interested in their water cooler talks. I may be off base here, but cops seem to be on patrol for almost their entire shift.

Patrolling Dunkin' Donuts, sure
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