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Can you expand on why this a bad sign for B Corps more so then C Corps? Honest question. Before reading the link I did not know the difference between B and C.
A simple explanation is B-corps can have a charter which is at odds with the interests of shareholders while C-corps are fully aligned with 'maximizing shareholder value' e.g. "I've created a B-corp, named Betsy, which has the distinct mission of making it viable for more people to choose craftsmanship as a career. I cannot be sued for adhering to my charter in good faith so one thing I can offer all sellers is an in…
Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months
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Re: Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months
#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
i have been thinking about this a lot. Peter Theil talks a lot about paypal when they were burning cash, but they had finally started to get the business fundamentals together. He calculated, i am approximating but it was close to, 80% of the companies worth came after 20 years. My thinking is that public markets are shitty, so almost all of the value capture takes place way before a company is worth it, it stays pri…
> Look at google. They know search is about to change majorly, they have already spun into a meta-architecture. In what way is search about to change majorly? To me that seemed more like a way to keep experimental projects without affecting Google as a stock.
I've got some handful websites for what I want to do with a computer and that's all. By the way, I search more in bookstores than on internet (maybe for quality not quantity, don't know).
Web disappoints me, kind of full of emptiness now. I do not think it's representative.
Re: Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months
#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
i have been thinking about this a lot. Peter Theil talks a lot about paypal when they were burning cash, but they had finally started to get the business fundamentals together. He calculated, i am approximating but it was close to, 80% of the companies worth came after 20 years. My thinking is that public markets are shitty, so almost all of the value capture takes place way before a company is worth it, it stays pri…
> Look at google. They know search is about to change majorly, they have already spun into a meta-architecture. In what way is search about to change majorly? To me that seemed more like a way to keep experimental projects without affecting Google as a stock.
So someone like me, a pretty shitty programmer, can use an language built on top of googlebot, like nodejs, and just index the stuff I care about and instead of that information being returned to google, I can just send it back to bots viewport directly and not even see the webpage, just the info if I want.
The problem is discovery (what google solved in 1999), no one knew where to find websites, like not even info, just what sites even were on the web. This is a huge pain point again because while there are a lot of great websites there are a ton of shitty ones. This is pretty obvious if you look at sites like reddit or hacker news. They are developed around the idea of aggregating good resources because there are so many it is overwhelming.
So, I think, that of the 50% of the people that are already running googlebot, some subset will start probably using it to get info they care about. Eventually, someone will write code you can use to make this easier for normal people, and then google whill either sell the silos of info to them instead of advertising, or use it in it's new meta structure to solve big problems.
[0]http://ipullrank.com/googlebot-is-chrome/ [1]http://www.sitepoint.com/browser-trends-august-2015-chrome-e...
Re: Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months
#254As they always say, this time is different. My opinion is that the tech sector has greatly expanded since 2000, not just in amount of investment available, but also types of business tech companies are actually in. So maybe there is a web/ad bubble and it might pop, but how much that affects individual company is more nuanced. Unsophisticated investors might still lump Google/Twitter/Tesla/AMD into the same "tech sec…
i have been thinking about this a lot. Peter Theil talks a lot about paypal when they were burning cash, but they had finally started to get the business fundamentals together. He calculated, i am approximating but it was close to, 80% of the companies worth came after 20 years. My thinking is that public markets are shitty, so almost all of the value capture takes place way before a company is worth it, it stays pri…
Re: Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months
#255I'm not surprised at all. Etsy used to be user based and hand made. Now it's just another market place. They still act like they try to enforce "non-mass-produced" but there are countless examples of the opposite being true. Places where people have directly reported instances of this and the problem is still present. I think the problem is that they stopped caring about their user base and, therefore, became less ub…
Lost 76% of its value... And still valued at nearly a billion dollars.
Next reporting date March 2, 2016
Annual revenue (last year) $195.6M
Annual profit (last year) -$15.2M
Net profit margin -7.79%
Re: Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months
#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you expand on why this a bad sign for B Corps more so then C Corps? Honest question. Before reading the link I did not know the difference between B and C.
A simple explanation is B-corps can have a charter which is at odds with the interests of shareholders while C-corps are fully aligned with 'maximizing shareholder value' e.g. "I've created a B-corp, named Betsy, which has the distinct mission of making it viable for more people to choose craftsmanship as a career. I cannot be sued for adhering to my charter in good faith so one thing I can offer all sellers is an in…
Re: Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months
#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
i have been thinking about this a lot. Peter Theil talks a lot about paypal when they were burning cash, but they had finally started to get the business fundamentals together. He calculated, i am approximating but it was close to, 80% of the companies worth came after 20 years. My thinking is that public markets are shitty, so almost all of the value capture takes place way before a company is worth it, it stays pri…
I am interested in your comment about search changing drastically. How do you feel search is changing and how do you see that affecting Google and other large players?
edit: I am interested, to get feed back on this positive or negative. I, and likely google, see the internet as a big RSS feed. Right now, companies are starting to crack down on bots, except google, but as discovery changes I think this will too. Generally curious about this.
Re: Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months
#258To be clear, it's lost XX% of it's market cap. The market cap is a knowingly-flawed assessment of earnings potential for a company. Its actual value is probably unchanged.
The value of Etsy changed when Amazon entered its space. It is objectively worth less now that the 800 lb gorilla has decided to eat Etsy's lunch.
Peak $34 in May
down to $14 in July
bounced but back to $14 in August
flat till October when Amazon entered now down to $7
Jeff Reeves at InvestorPlace [1] caled it "the biggest joke on Wall Street in May"
Re: Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months
#259Re: Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months
#260"over-hyped gimmicky thing trendy with hipsters out-of-touch with reality starts to fail over short period of time" not surprised one bit. i echo the sentiment of other commenters who give other examples. this is only surprising if you are also out of touch with reality
If only you knew some actual Etsy users. Many are suburban mothers that like to craft.