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Re: Working fewer hours would make us more productive

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The Guardian: > Research shows that shorter work weeks are just as effective. John Carmack: > I feel like longer work weeks are more effective. Does anyone else see the problem with this? Of course, pop-sci writing is often terrible. Of course, headlines can wildly misrepresent the research they're covering. Of course, there may be issues at stake (such as, in this case, personal freedom) beyond the simple phenomenon…

Following up on the links you gave me on Twitter. These two fall into the awful pop-sci writing category: http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2013/09/working-... “And it seems that more productive—and, consequently, better-paid—workers put in less time at the office” “So maybe we should be more self-critical about how much we work. Working less may make us more productive.” http://www.oecdobserver.org/news/fu…

Okay, let's ignore all them pesky negatives of overworking, like killing a patient from time to time or messing with the wrong piece of data somewhere. Let's also ignore the issue of personal freedom vs. the hours mandated by your employer. Let's focus only on maximizing the total output you can generate. As I understand, this is your case.

The metric productivity-per-hour is stupid. It's useless trying to optimize it - just like you said. The natural cycle for humans is a day. The body requires rest and is tuned to have an optimal performance if the do/rest cycles are loosely synced with the day/night cycles of the sun. You need to optimize that cycle, in the long run, to maximize your total output.

"... when you come back the following day your productivity per hour is significantly impaired, do you open up the possibility of actually reducing your net output."

Yes, I do. The burnout today at work has an effect on your productivity tomorrow. In attempt to get a little extra done today, tomorrow you won't be that efficient at your peak, and you'll be more tired and unproductive at the and of the day, compared to the previous. This way your average productivity per day, from both days, can easily be lower than if you had worked 3 hours less the first night and the second day were just as efficient and productive as the first.

This effect extends in a long run. Fatigue accumulation and sleep debt are real phenomenons. Poorly managed day-to-day cycles can render people incapable of doing any meaningful work. The remedy is rest/vacation, which kills your averages even more.

You should know, even better than me, that working people don't only produce output. They are learning too. The work that you'll be required to do in a year or two is not the same as the one you do today. Mental fatigue impairs learning new stuff a lot more than it impairs doing stuff you already know.

Re: Working fewer hours would make us more productive

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post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Guardian: > Research shows that shorter work weeks are just as effective. John Carmack: > I feel like longer work weeks are more effective. Does anyone else see the problem with this? Of course, pop-sci writing is often terrible. Of course, headlines can wildly misrepresent the research they're covering. Of course, there may be issues at stake (such as, in this case, personal freedom) beyond the simple phenomenon…

Following up on the links you gave me on Twitter. These two fall into the awful pop-sci writing category: http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2013/09/working-... “And it seems that more productive—and, consequently, better-paid—workers put in less time at the office” “So maybe we should be more self-critical about how much we work. Working less may make us more productive.” http://www.oecdobserver.org/news/fu…

Thanks for your considered reply. HN decided my reply was too long to post here, so instead it's on my blog: https://glyph.twistedmatrix.com/2016/01/stop-working-so-hard...

Re: Working fewer hours would make us more productive

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post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Guardian: > Research shows that shorter work weeks are just as effective. John Carmack: > I feel like longer work weeks are more effective. Does anyone else see the problem with this? Of course, pop-sci writing is often terrible. Of course, headlines can wildly misrepresent the research they're covering. Of course, there may be issues at stake (such as, in this case, personal freedom) beyond the simple phenomenon…

Following up on the links you gave me on Twitter. These two fall into the awful pop-sci writing category: http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2013/09/working-... “And it seems that more productive—and, consequently, better-paid—workers put in less time at the office” “So maybe we should be more self-critical about how much we work. Working less may make us more productive.” http://www.oecdobserver.org/news/fu…

Sure, as long as everyone is paid 2X salary for every hour over 8. I've been abused at work, greatly. It changed my views. Not everyone has the same experiences and perspective. I would disagree with you in the basic assumption that we let "everything just work out".

We do need laws that those who work over what has long been considered healthy- 8 hours, are compensated very well for their time. To the point that the incentive lies on the employer to hire more people.

There's nothing to stop you or anyone else from forgoing your pay. But working for free to most of us is unacceptable, we don't have as much money thus our transaction of time for money means more. And many have less power to call shots because they may be less valuable or talented.

Yet everyone receiving a paycheck deserves this basic protection from abuse.

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