The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car • Hacker News Board

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by benliong78 » Wed, Dec 16, 2015, 6:53 PM UTC

fsociety wrote: post #175

Aleman360 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because this article reinforces our bizarre cultural notion that one person deserves all the credit for some innovation. Nevermind the ridiculous amount of engineering that was required to build all the tools he's using and the order of magnitude more engineering required to make this a safe, mass producible product. But nah, let's just praise the founder, allow him to get rich while we all do the dirty work.

He didn't write the article, it's not his fault it comes off as cocky. He is tackling an impressive project on his own, and spitting in the face of corporations. He should be giving talks at DEFCON about this, teaching people how he did it. Your comment screams a superiority complex, but I bet that you are actually a nice person in real-life. Hotz is doing good work, and everyone in the technical field is relying on…

He sure didn't write the article, but looking at him and what he's saying on the video gives me the same impression of cockiness. But I bet he's actually a nice person in real life. ;)

It's an impressive personal project, no doubt about that. It's however also important to recognize the difficulty of having a system that works in mass production and handles all kinds of situation. Like someone said earlier it's easy to have the car drive in clear day with very visible markers. The hard part is when it rains, when it's foggy, when things are less optimal, etc.

Once he get to that point he'll find that part to be a lot harder than what he's accomplished so far.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by mtanski » Wed, Dec 16, 2015, 6:54 PM UTC

frame_perfect wrote: post #249

jpfr wrote: post #37

Prototypical case of the 80/20 rule. He has implemented the happy case. But that system is nothing people realistically would want to drive their cars. What he did is impressive. But the results are not that outlandish for a talented person. 1) Hook up a computer to the CAN-Bus network of the car [1] and attach a bunch of sensor peripherals. 2) Drive around for some time and record everything to disk. 3) Implement so…

2) It's probably not a disk. I'd bet it's an SSD, or something. I doubt he'd use an HDD considering how relatively cheap it is now... and considering how loaded he probably is.

SSD = solid state DISK

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by bkbaba » Wed, Dec 16, 2015, 6:55 PM UTC

jaybosamiya wrote: post #44

> The last people with jobs will be AI programmers Geohotz makes a decent point. The way the industrial revolution reduced manual labour, and made thinkers and tinkerers much more valuable, the advent of AI (true AI, mind you, not the tiny stuff that we currently assume) might actually make us obsolete. It is a peaceful and yet terrifying thought.

I am not convinced that computers will ACTUALLY REPLACE ALL jobs. Technology could get advanced to do all that humans are accomplishing today, but that doesn't mean that humans will not be doing any jobs any more. There are 2 main problems I see in that

1) Historically technology has created more jobs than it has destroyed. http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/aug/17/technology-c... One BIG difference, technology till now has been designed to aid humans, not replace them. But I think that technology will shift a lot of jobs in another sector but will not bring the sum of human brains needed to run it to 0.

2) Society will not be so nice to organisations taking away ALL its jobs. There will be a huge friction from society when they loose out ALL their jobs at this scale, it could vary from small riots to some new age guerrilla warfare. It will be interesting to see how politicians will react when they loose their jobs to computers though.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by czechdeveloper » Wed, Dec 16, 2015, 6:55 PM UTC

frame_perfect wrote: post #249

jpfr wrote: post #37

Prototypical case of the 80/20 rule. He has implemented the happy case. But that system is nothing people realistically would want to drive their cars. What he did is impressive. But the results are not that outlandish for a talented person. 1) Hook up a computer to the CAN-Bus network of the car [1] and attach a bunch of sensor peripherals. 2) Drive around for some time and record everything to disk. 3) Implement so…

2) It's probably not a disk. I'd bet it's an SSD, or something. I doubt he'd use an HDD considering how relatively cheap it is now... and considering how loaded he probably is.

SSD can also stand for Solid State Disk. Disk does not imply moving parts.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 16, 2015, 6:55 PM UTC

jaybosamiya wrote: post #44

> The last people with jobs will be AI programmers Geohotz makes a decent point. The way the industrial revolution reduced manual labour, and made thinkers and tinkerers much more valuable, the advent of AI (true AI, mind you, not the tiny stuff that we currently assume) might actually make us obsolete. It is a peaceful and yet terrifying thought.

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Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 16, 2015, 6:55 PM UTC

jaybosamiya wrote: post #44

> The last people with jobs will be AI programmers Geohotz makes a decent point. The way the industrial revolution reduced manual labour, and made thinkers and tinkerers much more valuable, the advent of AI (true AI, mind you, not the tiny stuff that we currently assume) might actually make us obsolete. It is a peaceful and yet terrifying thought.

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Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 16, 2015, 6:55 PM UTC

jaybosamiya wrote: post #44

> The last people with jobs will be AI programmers Geohotz makes a decent point. The way the industrial revolution reduced manual labour, and made thinkers and tinkerers much more valuable, the advent of AI (true AI, mind you, not the tiny stuff that we currently assume) might actually make us obsolete. It is a peaceful and yet terrifying thought.

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Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 16, 2015, 6:55 PM UTC

jaybosamiya wrote: post #44

> The last people with jobs will be AI programmers Geohotz makes a decent point. The way the industrial revolution reduced manual labour, and made thinkers and tinkerers much more valuable, the advent of AI (true AI, mind you, not the tiny stuff that we currently assume) might actually make us obsolete. It is a peaceful and yet terrifying thought.

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Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by cafebeen » Wed, Dec 16, 2015, 6:56 PM UTC

wdmeldon wrote: post #67

Aleman360 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because this article reinforces our bizarre cultural notion that one person deserves all the credit for some innovation. Nevermind the ridiculous amount of engineering that was required to build all the tools he's using and the order of magnitude more engineering required to make this a safe, mass producible product. But nah, let's just praise the founder, allow him to get rich while we all do the dirty work.

This comment is depressingly cynical. This is probably the single best definition of "hacking", as the community often refers to it, that I've seen in a very long time. One guy starts working on something only the biggest companies in the world dare attempt, throws together a minimal prototype built on top of existing technology. Just look at the picture of it. Claims of commercial viability or beating Tesla are a bi…

I think it's a fair comment given his quote "I know everything there is to know" and the headline of the article claiming he's "building a self-driving car by himself". I've always thought the "hacker" community attributed value to sharing and building off other's work, but maybe times have changed.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by itchyouch » Wed, Dec 16, 2015, 6:58 PM UTC

jpfr wrote: post #37

Prototypical case of the 80/20 rule. He has implemented the happy case. But that system is nothing people realistically would want to drive their cars. What he did is impressive. But the results are not that outlandish for a talented person. 1) Hook up a computer to the CAN-Bus network of the car [1] and attach a bunch of sensor peripherals. 2) Drive around for some time and record everything to disk. 3) Implement so…

With Neural Nets, training the AI to handle emergencies will be all about exposing as many emergency situations as possible.

What's better about an AI powered by neural nets is that you could train an AI to go offroading.

Get enough data and you've got a model for dealing with a given situation. Google's biggest strides with OCR, Voice recognition, Spam filters and other AI tech early on came from its ability to gather a huge corpus of data.

The real challenge is two fold. Gathering data, and feeding the AI with inputs with data actually matters. This is the secret sauce that Hotz refers to in the article as the information he's not willing to disclose. That information will become commoditized in due time (like low-latency optimization for HFT), but it will take plenty of institutional money & experience (Google, Apple, Tesla, Ford, etc) to get it there.