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Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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I think this is the 3rd time I've heard Thunderbird is/is going to be unmaintained and that I should avoid it, but I'm yet to see a good alternative. Claws was crashy and didn't DPI scale properly on Windows, OS X Mail had strange behavior with my IMAP server and I just wanted a consistent UI with my Windows and Linux system. My next option is webmail but there's no good IMAP webmail client that seems to be able to h…

For a good IMAP webmail client I recommend Rainloop: http://www.rainloop.net/

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Are you so daft to think that the rust compiler is written in something other than C/C++?

I don't know much about Rust but the Wikipedia page says the original Rust compiler was written in OCaml, and that the new compiler is self-hosted and written in the Rust language itself.

"OCaml comprises two compilers. One generates bytecode which is then interpreted by a C program."

Just look at its source, there's C everywhere.

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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I think this is the 3rd time I've heard Thunderbird is/is going to be unmaintained and that I should avoid it, but I'm yet to see a good alternative. Claws was crashy and didn't DPI scale properly on Windows, OS X Mail had strange behavior with my IMAP server and I just wanted a consistent UI with my Windows and Linux system. My next option is webmail but there's no good IMAP webmail client that seems to be able to h…

KMail is rather good, though I find settings UI to be non intuitive and poorly organized. Hopefully KF5 based version will address some of that.

They already released 5.0, and didn't change anything. What is more likely to happen is the development of a Plasma Mobile QML UI built on top of Kontact and the new Akonadi that you can switch between, and that the desktop version might just use a reactive designed mobile UI as default with the current UI being available as a toggle option.

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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So many words to say "an email client does not generate search engine traffic"...

In this age of abundant js transpilers it's kind of surprising to see XUL not being one of the many valid X for "compile X to JS+CSS", but it kind of makes sense, giving the limited scope of XUL.

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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>I'm not sure what you're actually comparing this workflow to. He is comparing it to what they have now, XUL + CSS + JavaScript. Replacing it with html isn't as big a change as it sounds, their UI is already written in XML and rendered by Gecko, all they are doing is moving from a custom XML like XAML(MS) or FXML(Java) to standard HTML rendered by Gecko.

In that case, could the XUL dependency be removed from Thunderbird?

Unlike the original parent post I don't think this announcement anything to do with XUL. Thunderbird just doesn't have the userbase Mozilla expects it to at this point because, surprise, the people who want an email client are a small subset of the people who want a web browser.

This is lost in a sea of replies now but I'm sure pissed off Mozilla is completely losing their root mantra of fighting for the free web. Persona, Thunderbird, two critical components of a "free web": free global authentication, free email client. I'm sure next mozfest the same suits as every year will talk about how they're so proud of "keeping the web open". What a crock of crap. Firefox isn't even that good of a browser anymore.

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Initial software based Multics had 64 rings, and as I recall only 8 in the hardware versions. No more than 4 were needed in practice: 0 for root, 1 for mail (e.g. you could delete mail you'd sent to other people from their mailboxes if they'd not read it yet), 4 for normal users, and 5 for some stuff that e.g. allowed anyone to use, but was restricted at touching anything deeper in the system. AMD dropped rings in th…

> AMD dropped rings in their 64 bit architecture which Intel was forced to adopt, so they're becoming a historical curiosity. Not quite. Hypervisors are operating in Ring -1, SMM is equivalent to another ring above that, and I can't find anything about AMD64 dropping Ring 1/2? Ring 0/3 at least are still in use.

I submit that "supervisor/user" isn't an implementation of "rings", plural (and it's got to predate Multics by a lot, but I can't quickly prove that), and that SMM is something entirely different. Hypervisors and there use really aren't comparable to Multics Rings.

A couple of minutes with Google only found hints that confirm my memory WRT to AMD64 and rings, and/or Intel not copying a segmentation feature added to later versions of AMD's chips.

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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post #251

I think this is the 3rd time I've heard Thunderbird is/is going to be unmaintained and that I should avoid it, but I'm yet to see a good alternative. Claws was crashy and didn't DPI scale properly on Windows, OS X Mail had strange behavior with my IMAP server and I just wanted a consistent UI with my Windows and Linux system. My next option is webmail but there's no good IMAP webmail client that seems to be able to h…

For a good IMAP webmail client I recommend Rainloop: http://www.rainloop.net/

Yeah I use it in some places actually but unless I'm missing something, you can't connect to multiple accounts, see them simultaneously and get notifications on all of them.

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Thunderbird appears to be the only email reader that gets close to supporting mid:// urls.

https://superuser.com/questions/681421/what-email-clients-su...

It uses the "thunderlink:" protocol to support this. It does require some OS-specific setup.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/thunderli...

Linking directly to email messages as transparently as linking to webpages is useful, and I wish it were more widespread.

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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I think this is the 3rd time I've heard Thunderbird is/is going to be unmaintained and that I should avoid it, but I'm yet to see a good alternative. Claws was crashy and didn't DPI scale properly on Windows, OS X Mail had strange behavior with my IMAP server and I just wanted a consistent UI with my Windows and Linux system. My next option is webmail but there's no good IMAP webmail client that seems to be able to h…

I've moved to Mutt/OfflineIMAP on most every machine I own, and it's worked remarkably well. It's a CLI app, yes, but it outshines Thunderbird (and most other GUI clients, for that matter) in a number of ways: - FAST. Mutt lets you process thousands of messages in short order. Mutt is directly responsible for helping me dig out of a 50k deep email hole brought on by years of GMail's approach (archive, never delete) i…

I setup something along the lines of Homely Mutt, the setup time is obscene but it's very quick and reliable

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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It's possible to build websites with accessibility features, is it not?

Partially, but the point is that you're (manually and expensively) reinventing the wheel that desktop toolkits had already built for you.

Sure, but with the end benefit being a universal UI toolkit.

Also, 'expensively' is debatable, I'm sure it'd be possible to have reusable accessibility components, wouldn't necessarily have to reinvent the wheel for each new web app.

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