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FIFA Officials Arrested on Corruption Charges; Face Extradition to U.S

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Re: FIFA Officials Arrested on Corruption Charges; Face Extradition to U.S

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Post by kuschku »

xasos wrote: post #94
iwwr wrote: post #65

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Apparently, hosting a World Cup has become a net negative to a country. The costs (significant and increasing) go to the government and the profits go to FIFA and the sponsors.

Yep, its really sad. It also applies for events like the Olympics, where infrastructure improvements are mandatory, and costs far outweigh any profit they may receive.

Not necessarily. In some places you can host Olympic games without throwing money away, even getting a profit.

Take for example the proposed Olympic Games 2024 Hamburg and Kiel:

Kiel hosts the largests sailing event worldwide every year, and hosted the Handball world cup before – and, due to having the best european team in Handball, we also have often large matches.

Hamburg has also lots of other sports which are done on worldcup level. Combined, we have the infrastructure done to host more than half of the Olympics RIGHT NOW. You could host more than half of the Olympics right tomorrow, without any additional constructions.

And Kiel has also been co-host of the Olympics two previous times, each of them producing a net-profit and developing a complete new district out of the investments – the facilities built for Olympia 1972 are still in use today.

What are we going to build for Olympia 2024? Nothing new – we’ll update existing infrastructure and stadiums, improve public transport (which would have been done anyway, and is already being built today), and add some new living quarters for the contestants – which could be used as cheap student housing afterwards, as both Hamburg and Kiel are facing a crisis where not enough affordable apartments for students exist.

Reusability quota: 100%. We’d have no losses, only profits, and it’d be cheap, too.

Re: FIFA Officials Arrested on Corruption Charges; Face Extradition to U.S

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Post by kuschku »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #182
dragonwriter wrote: post #155

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> Surely that's a question of implementation not inevitability? Not really. While there might be some cases where some of the infrastructure is something where the operating/maintenance costs would be justified but which didn't get built because of the up-front capital costs, and where hosting a special event which happened to need the same infrastructure might provide an excuse (or an otherwise-unavailable source of…

Vancouver 2010 is a fantastic example of just that. Yes, there were some developments which could have gone better (Olympic Village, for one), but some much needed infrastructure and stadium upgrades came out of it: - Sea to Sky Highway went from being a ridiculously dangerous road between Vancouver and Whistler to being a pretty good road (still twisty, but there's only so much that can be done about that), and sore…

This is exactly what I’m talking about – Vancouver 2010, or Kiel+Munich 1972 are perfect examples for reusing existing infrastructure and upgrading it.

Even London 2012 was a great example – reusing infrastructure, upgrading it, etc is a good way to do it.

Another good idea: One of the recent UEFA cups was hosted by two countries together (actually, several of them were). Which is another good idea, several less developed countries working together to still get the profit off of the games, but sharing the costs.

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Post by kuschku »

hyperion2010 wrote: post #189
lordnacho wrote: post #167

One thing I don't get is why this form of corruption is illegal. FIFA is a sort of international club, right? If I make an international group for the placement of Tiddlywinks world cups, and I make some internal rules for it, why does the state care how the politics turns out? Is it illegal to bribe someone making some private decision?

They are a business and are thus regulated by relevant laws. In this case FIFA is also a monopoly. Imagine if comcast started forcing Tier3 or someone else to pay bribes to get to their customers (heh). This is basically equivalent to that. Tier3 could sue if it was done off the books (re: bribes) and the IRS would go after the corp for tax evasion if they didn't report the bribe income. Not sure how this case will p…

So, you mean, like Verizon did with Netflix?

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Post by notsony »

dragonwriter wrote: post #199
notsony wrote: post #197

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But talking about an investigation into FIFA is somehow on-topic and relevant to HackerNews?!

> But talking about an investigation into FIFA is somehow on-topic and relevant to HackerNews?! To the extent that the FIFA discussion is inappropriate for HN, the correct response is to flag the article, not post things off-topic to the article in the thread. Whether the FIFA-related article is appropriate to HN is completely irrelevant, in any case, to discussion of whether the attack on Clinton is itself on-topic…

Oh, hello? Could everybody who downvoted please upvote? Thank you.

"Clinton Foundation took at least $1,250,000 from Qatar and its World Cup committee implicated in FIFA bribery scandal

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3099839/Clinton-Foun... Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3099839/Clinton-Foun...

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Post by notsony »

austenallred wrote: post #184
notsony wrote: post #125

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Your first point is of course true. Your second point about "false flag" makes no sense whatsoever. EDIT: This is why HackerNews is going to the dogs. This perfectly reasonable comment has been downvoted numerous times.

It's being downvoted because talking about the Clinton administration's financial backing in this thread is off-topic and a little absurd, and this comment is seen as an extension of the first.

Is it really absurd?

"Clinton Foundation took at least $1,250,000 from Qatar and its World Cup committee implicated in FIFA bribery scandal"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3099839/Clinton-Foun...

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Post by notsony »

astrodust wrote: post #209
notsony wrote: post #125

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Your first point is of course true. Your second point about "false flag" makes no sense whatsoever. EDIT: This is why HackerNews is going to the dogs. This perfectly reasonable comment has been downvoted numerous times.

Your comment is completely off-topic and irrelevant. It's not like the US can only investigate one crime at a time.

"Clinton Foundation took at least $1,250,000 from Qatar and its World Cup committee implicated in FIFA bribery scandal"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3099839/Clinton-Foun...

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Post by supergirl »

__z wrote: post #237
supergirl wrote: post #204

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Pointing out something is not slander, of course. But, what's the difference between slander and allegations? They both entail the same action: saying something bad without proving, no? Only in the end we will know.

>what's the difference between slander and allegations? Slander: Bob Jones murdered his wife. Allegation: Bob Jones is accused of murdering his wife. Bob Jones allegedly murdered his wife. Bob Jones has been charged with the murder of his wife. Bob Jones was arrested following investigation of the suspicious death of his wife. Bob Jones was arrested pending trial. Witnesses claim they saw Bob Jones murder his wife. S…

Source? I mean, I hope you didn't write all this based only on what you think might be true.

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Post by mynameisvlad »

limeyx wrote: post #228
abandonliberty wrote: post #218

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The taxpayer cost of the Vancouver Winter Olympics distributed over the number of taxpayers in the workforce was around $8000/pp. Best 8000$ party I ever threw.

...that you probably didn't even get to go to !

If you were actually in Vancouver, you'd know that this statement is incorrect. While yes, the actual events were very limited (I only got to go to a medal ceremony, for example), the whole city was alive. There were massive TVs all over the city, showing the games. There were celebration zones, with live streams during the days and big-name concerts and fireworks at night. There were the country and province pavilions, showcasing the best of Canada and the world. There were things to do literally all over the city for this two week period. And all this was completely free of charge, with access by anyone. The absolute best part was the excitement of it all. People across the country were united in their love for Canada, the streets were filled with people at all times, cheering on the athletes. It was an incredible sight.

So yes, while the actual events were hard to get to, there was more than enough for everyone to do, and it was, as OP put it, a massive party. I'd easily do it again for $8000.

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Post by Schwolop »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #248
limeyx wrote: post #228

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...that you probably didn't even get to go to !

If you were actually in Vancouver, you'd know that this statement is incorrect. While yes, the actual events were very limited (I only got to go to a medal ceremony, for example), the whole city was alive . There were massive TVs all over the city, showing the games. There were celebration zones, with live streams during the days and big-name concerts and fireworks at night. There were the country and province pavili…

Well said. This is similar to how Sydney felt during the 2000 Olympics. One of the few times I've really felt connected to my fellow citizens in that sort of way.

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Post by austenallred »

notsony wrote: post #244
dragonwriter wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But talking about an investigation into FIFA is somehow on-topic and relevant to HackerNews?! To the extent that the FIFA discussion is inappropriate for HN, the correct response is to flag the article, not post things off-topic to the article in the thread. Whether the FIFA-related article is appropriate to HN is completely irrelevant, in any case, to discussion of whether the attack on Clinton is itself on-topic…

Oh, hello? Could everybody who downvoted please upvote? Thank you. "Clinton Foundation took at least $1,250,000 from Qatar and its World Cup committee implicated in FIFA bribery scandal Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3099839/Clinton-Foun... Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3099839/Clinton-Foun...

That's not what your comment was about :)
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